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redleghunter

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You just don't know how to stay on topic. How many Jews did Luther kill? Zero. Enough said. Luther was a product of the Catholic church and Western Europe in general, mentality towards Jews of the era. Please do try not to add in Nazi war criminal excuses to avoid the gallows. Unless you want to link the counter-culture movement of the 60s to the abortion industry.

You left out a lot of history. But what one says centuries before is not the same as using their own subjective morals/ethics.

If we blame Luther, and the Catholic church for Hitler's genocide you will have to add his more recent influences of Margaret Sanger and the 19th-20th century eugenics crowd. That is more applicable given Hitler's desire to form a master race---i.e. Eugenics.

So let's get back on topic. We were discussing the subjective and situational morals/ethics of how we as a society now deal with personhood.
 
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Otherwise I believe that abortion should be legal, it should be safe, it should be available and it should be the woman’s informed choice but most important of all --- it should be rare.

How can legalizing abortion make the practice rare? The evidence contradicts this wishful kind of thinking!

"Reported Annual Abortions - 1973-2011

YEAR

GI

CDC

1973

744,610

615,831

1974

898,570

763,476

1975

1,034,170

854,853

1976

1,179,300

988,267

1977

1,316,700

1,079,430

1978

1,409,600

1,157,776

1979

1,497,670

1,251,921

1980

1,553,890

1,297,606

1981

1,577,340

1,300,760

1982

1,573,920

1,303,980

1983

1,575,000

1,268,987

1984

1,577,180

1,333,521 ..."

As you can see, the number of abortions more than doubled following its legalization.

Click on the link to see this table report more clearly!

Ref.: http://www.christianliferesources.com/article/u-s-abortion-statistics-by-year-1973-current-1042
 
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Every now and again the first cell division does not produce a two celled embryo but rather a second zygote --- identical twins. Did Mary suddenly become two persons?

Yes! Each with their unique DNA. If two persons of the opposite gender can suddenly become three, four or more; why can't a zygote multiply?
 
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As I said to Scott, learn to live with the fact that you are on the wrong side of history and the wrong side of this issue.

Tomorrow you might be the one "on the wrong side of history and the wrong side of this issue."
 
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"The intellective soul i.e., true person is created by God at the completion of man's coming into being." -- St Thomas Aquinas

Near where I live there is a huge building under construction. It is not finished yet; the electrical wiring has not been done yet. Am I free to show up with a wrecking machine and demolish it? In the case of human life, God is the builder, and has warned me not to meddle in what he is doing!
 
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Wonder where he got those ideas from.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/judaica/ejud_0002_0004_0_04300.html
 
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Personally I believe that the developing fetus becomes a person only when it is able to survive outside the womb.

So 18-21 years old? I do know of some who have their 'kids' living with them past 22.
 
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I'm familiar with the Hippocratic Oath, thank you. Why would you choose 1973 as the date when it stopped being held in high esteem if you were not referring to Roe v. Wade? By what measure is that when it was "thrashed?" What else happened that year? It seems you're back-pedaling.
 
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Guttmeyer has always had higher figures because it takes into consideration states that don't report their numbers to the CDC, with California being the major difference between the 2...
 
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Yes they were refugees and the Germans wanted them out of their country. The problem was no one would take them. So you can not JUST blame the Nazi for the final solution. You have to pass that blame onto everyone that was alive at that time that would do nothing to help them.
 
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If the answer is truly objective, then either path will lead to the same conclusion.

Not really. Science is clear that adulthood is when we have come to completion of growing. Just as science is clear human life begins at conception. But this thread and many others ignore science when it comes to human generation and development.
 
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The director and the principle at my high school were German Hebrews that left Germany before the war. I have just as many Hebrew friends that have the same story when their familys were forced out of Russia. There was an attitude that only productive members of society have a right to live.
 
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If your numbers are correct, then this tells me that there were 600,000 women who would formerly have had to resort to dangerous options who were now able to have safe abortions.

Look at the following report. Do you think that the Guttmacher Institute, created by Planned Parenthood, would exaggerate?:

Reported Annual Abortions - 1973-2011

YEAR

GI

CDC

1973

744,610

615,831

1974

898,570

763,476

1975

1,034,170

854,853

1976

1,179,300

988,267

1977

1,316,700

1,079,430

1978

1,409,600

1,157,776

1979

1,497,670

1,251,921

1980

1,553,890

1,297,606

1981

1,577,340

1,300,760

1982

1,573,920

1,303,980

1983

1,575,000

1,268,987

1984

1,577,180

1,333,521

Ref.: http://www.christianliferesources.com/article/u-s-abortion-statistics-by-year-1973-current-1042
 
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