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If he knew about the pregnancy and rejected the mother & pregnancy, then he should be responsible too.
It is the only way we have ever determined what we hold as 'right'. To answer your other question, I choose not to be a member of the ISIS community, because I reject the values they hold. But I am a member of the broader world community and the consensus of that community is that ISIS represents a fringe viewpoint, an aberrant viewpoint, that must be shown to be wrong.
Just as it did when the Christian world imposed the same kind of viewpoint several centuries ago.
And, to return to the discussion, abortion is NOT going to be held as murder, as long as the general consensus in our community holds that it is not.
Sperm and egg are not part of the life cycle of an individual human. It blows my mind how many people are unaware of this. Sperm and egg are haploid gametes and do not constitute an individual of the species.You brought up etymology as though it were important, when I mentioned that it's not you said I was quibbling. Sperm and eggs are all parts of the stages of life cycles for human beings too, what's your point?
Yes, and zygotes are zygotes and embryos are embryos. I wouldn't go so far as to say that we can pinpoint when life begins but I think it's clear enough that an egg with a sperm inside doesn't have a consciousness.Sperm and egg are not part of the life cycle of an individual human. It blows my mind how many people are ignorant of this basic, ninth grade biology. Sperm and egg are haploid gametes and do not constitute an individual of the species.
read my comment again i did not say that i considered the IUD a contraception i said that some people would debate that it is a contraception and other people would debate that the IUD was an abortion device . right now most people consider the IUD contraception and dont think much about it but i agree with you its abortion i dont think its contraception although others might consider it contraception .I'm imagining you do as I do and include your birth year in your username? That makes you a 43 year old woman, correct? If so, this is very embarrassing.
'Contra' means against. 'Ception' is a contraction of conception. So, 'contraception' is something which acts against, or prevents, conception. Such as a condom, or a birth control pill, or a spermicide cream.
An IUD does not act in this way. It permits conception, as I have already patiently explained. So you cannot squirm out of your ridiculous position by pretending that an IUD is now a contraceptive.
read my comment again i did not say that i considered the IUD a contraception i said that some people would debate that it is a contraception and other people would debate that the IUD was an abortion device . right now most people consider the IUD contraception and dont think much about it but i agree with you its abortion i dont think its contraception although others might consider it contraception .
and im sure people who are against abortion would see IUD's as contraception and be ok with it.
An egg with a sperm inside it ....Yes, and zygotes are zygotes and embryos are embryos. I wouldn't go so far as to say that we can pinpoint when life begins but I think it's clear enough that an egg with a sperm inside doesn't have a consciousness.
An egg with a sperm inside it ....
Yeah. Get on that.
Anyway, life begins at conception. That's not a matter of opinion. A zygote is an individual of the human species. Believe it or not, we exist, if ever so briefly in our lives, as single celled creatures.
An egg with a sperm inside it ....
Yeah. Get on that.
Anyway, life begins at conception. That's not a matter of opinion. A zygote is an individual of the human species. Believe it or not, we exist, if ever so briefly in our lives, as single celled creatures.
sorry i neglected to insert the word some . some people who are pro-life might have the opinion that the IUD is contraception instead of abortion .This becomes so tedious. Now I have to educate you in what you said:
Are you not one of those "against abortion"? Then, according to YOU, IUDs are seen as contraception!
There were doctors performing abortions in their offices when abortion was illegal.You've just passed a law against abortions, so doctors don't perform them any more!
Why? Abortion is legal in China and the government pays for them to be done. In fact, people can lose their jobs for not getting an abortion if they already have one child.I would like everyone to look at what is going on in China. They are having similar issues with their "one child policy". Back alley abortions are running rampant as a result.
Yes. Just like all of medicine is a selfish means to extend our lives instead of dying young like God intended.
God hardly intended for people to die young, in fact, He declared that a "full measure of life" to be 120 years in Genesis 6:3.
If one were to live by the standards that He gave to the Jews, and if we had not been polluting the environment and doing all other sorts of nasty stuff, I'm sure 90+ years could easily be attained.
But, unfortunately, with the poison we put in the air, the man-made chemicals all through our food, the smog, the imperfections in our genomes from centuries of bad practices that got spread throughout the bloodlines (incest, etc), that is no longer possible.
We can attempt to extend life by trying to fix the damage we've done to the environment and our own bloodlines, but it usually has adverse side-effects, and the few who do live to be 80, 90+ are usually wheelchair-bound, or need canes and walkers and can barely survive without loads and loads of medicine and doctor care, and many of them are barely functional physically or mentally.
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Read the thing I quoted again, lol.
Again, just like Abortion, it's yet another instance of Man trying to solve a problem that Man made, because they refuse to follow God's instructions.
Every time Man thinks he knows better than God, we end up with problems. And then Man tries to fix those problems, and ends up making a dozen more problems. And so, we have today's world full of poison, radiation, pollution, and all kinds of other problems.
Even in medicine, many medicines attempt to (but rarely succeed) cure 1 thing, but they can cause up to 10 unwanted side-effects, lol.
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