It is hard to believe we just randomly formed by chance

[JohnB445]

And by chance of what? the chance of molecules perfectly bonding to one another to form complex organic compounds, which then form into much more complex and intricate organic matter? Which the idea of molecules by random chance bonding and forming such complexity to form organisms has never been observed or scientifically proven, but rather is held as a philosophical idea on how organisms formed.

Genetic material, and replication of cells for example, how does the cell know-how to adapt and change accordingly? Where does that come from

Or how humans have the intellectual capabilities to discover and understand the mathematical laws of the universe, and how things of that complexity works.

That humans have dopamine receptors in their brains and therefore able to feel pleasure, reward, enjoyment when they accomplish something, and other desires such as the need to socialize with the community or reproduce.

Feelings such as sadness, when something bad happens, or they lost a loved one. And many more examples.

How there is such symmetry in biology, the fact that within the genetics it had to code that, and the cells had to construct in such ways.

 

[Aussie Pete]

And by chance of what? the chance of molecules perfectly bonding to one another to form complex organic compounds, which then form into much more complex and intricate organic matter? Which the idea of molecules by random chance bonding and forming such complexity to form organisms has never been observed or scientifically proven, but rather is held as a philosophical idea on how organisms formed.

Genetic material, and replication of cells for example, how does the cell know-how to adapt and change accordingly? Where does that come from

Or how humans have the intellectual capabilities to discover and understand the mathematical laws of the universe, and how things of that complexity works.

That humans have dopamine receptors in their brains and therefore able to feel pleasure, reward, enjoyment when they accomplish something, and other desires such as the need to socialize with the community or reproduce.

Feelings such as sadness, when something bad happens, or they lost a loved one. And many more examples.

How there is such symmetry in biology, the fact that within the genetics it had to code that, and the cells had to construct in such ways.

There are many reasons to doubt that we were formed by chance. God's word assures that we were created and formed by God. I'm not about to call God a liar.

 

[Of the Kingdom]

Or how humans have the intellectual capabilities to discover and understand the mathematical laws of the universe, and how things of that complexity works.

How there is such symmetry in biology, the fact that within the genetics it had to code that, and the cells had to construct in such ways.

God is awesome, isn't He?

Ps 8:4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?

 

[NothingIsImpossible]

Our brains alone are barley understood by science. And yet we came from a "big bang" of nothing. Ignoring our complex brains, we have complex bodies. Mix that with a complex planet with complex living things and a complex planet in a complex galaxy that just happens to have a planet (Earth) in the PERFECT spot for life with the perfect temperatures and we are in a complex universe..... and non-believer want us to believe this was just by chance?

No way. Even if someone doesn't believe in God, they would have to assume someone "created" everything right? How else can they explain the infinite amount of things that had to be right for us to exist? They can't. They just tell you it was all a coincidence and mix of good timing.

Which makes no sense to me. Only God could have made everything how it is. To say otherwise is to believe that nothing created something and went through a whole lot things to somehow beat the numbers and get to here.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

The gospel of Christ depends on Genesis 1-11 being literal in the way it is written as a historic account of what actually happened. If it is not literal, then the rest of the Bible is meaningless, and there is no true gospel of Christ.

 

[com7fy8]

If all in existence were only material, with atoms and molecules and different sorts of energy waves . . .

this would mean all that physical stuff evolved to produce us Christians with ability to experience God and understand the things His word says.

So, if we all were produced by how material things work according to scientific principles, why would atheists have a problem with scientific laws producing Christians???? If all is material, then atoms and molecules and energy have produced us who experience God and who have written the Bible. So . . . why does the net result of scientific principles have them upset . . . with what scientific principles have produced?? That would mean matter has developed into different forms which are upset at each other; this would mean matter finds ways to get upset with itself. So, if it's matter causing all this, then atheists maybe do not need to expect matter to change a Christian to be how an atheist might dictate, then, I suppose.

 

[JohnB445]

I think Peter Hitchens explains it nicely.

Why would someone not want there to be a God, and live in a universe of purposeless chaos where nothing truly has any significance and life ends abruptly at death with no further significance.

 

[Jonathan Walkerin]

I think Peter Hitchens explains it nicely.

Why would someone not want there to be a God, and live in a universe of purposeless chaos where nothing truly has any significance and life ends abruptly at death with no further significance.

Which is why we have over 4000 different religions, thousands of gods, countless sects and other religious or spiritual philosophies so we can have that comforting thought.

Fun part comes when people start debating how their chosen comfort deity or philosophy is the right one and others are wrong.

 

[SPF]

The gospel of Christ depends on Genesis 1-11 being literal in the way it is written as a historic account of what actually happened. If it is not literal, then the rest of the Bible is meaningless, and there is no true gospel of Christ.

Why?

 

[Marumorose]

And by chance of what? the chance of molecules perfectly bonding to one another to form complex organic compounds, which then form into much more complex and intricate organic matter? Which the idea of molecules by random chance bonding and forming such complexity to form organisms has never been observed or scientifically proven, but rather is held as a philosophical idea on how organisms formed.

Genetic material, and replication of cells for example, how does the cell know-how to adapt and change accordingly? Where does that come from

Or how humans have the intellectual capabilities to discover and understand the mathematical laws of the universe, and how things of that complexity works.

That humans have dopamine receptors in their brains and therefore able to feel pleasure, reward, enjoyment when they accomplish something, and other desires such as the need to socialize with the community or reproduce.

Feelings such as sadness, when something bad happens, or they lost a loved one. And many more examples.

How there is such symmetry in biology, the fact that within the genetics it had to code that, and the cells had to construct in such ways.

If we were formed by chance, then there is no reason to believe in the bible or have faith. There is no heaven or hell. There is no GOD.
May God Bless You

 

[Halbhh]

the chance of molecules perfectly bonding to one another to form complex organic compounds, which then form into much more complex and intricate organic matter?

Did one forget Who made those laws of chemistry and physics, the Creator of this very same chemistry........the laws by which those molecules operate?

Would He make those laws of chemistry not supportive of life as we know it? Well, certainly not. According to scripture, He looked upon all He had made, "and it was very good" --

Genesis 1:31 And God looked upon all that He had made, and indeed, it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning--the sixth day.

meaning also then that the laws of chemistry -- part of what exists, and He created all that exists -- those natural laws He created work very good for life. Yes?

So, therefore, we can be certain then that the laws of chemistry are very good for life, for us, on the whole.

These laws make all that sustains us work, by His design, perfectly well. Therefore, yes, of course, this chemistry tends to help life happen.

 

[Halbhh]

God's design of this Universe -- physics, chemistry -- causes complex organic molecules to arise naturally:

Complex molecule discovered in space
Scientists have found the beginnings of life-bearing chemistry at the centre of the galaxy.

"Iso-propyl cyanide has been detected in a star-forming cloud 27,000 light-years from Earth.
Its branched carbon structure is closer to the complex organic molecules of life than any previous finding from interstellar space."

Actually, it's even more clear than the above -- we live in an exceedingly fine tuned Universe, with just-so physical constants that favor life.
Is Nature Unnatural? | Quanta Magazine

It is not possible to either know that God exists from how perfect this Universe is designed for life (it would have to be....), nor to conclude He does not.

Neither.

Why isn't it obvious?

Because God chose to prevent any easy obvious proof for a very specific reason, told to us throughout scripture -- because God wants faith from us, and proof would obviate/preempt/preclude faith. Prevent it being possible. Faith is trust without seeing first, before any proof.

 

[Halbhh]

If we were formed by chance, then there is no reason to believe in the bible or have faith. There is no heaven or hell. There is no GOD.
May God Bless You

Ah, but God created that very same Nature that any "chance" operates in. Any "chance" is His design.

See?

See posts 11 and 12 just above for more on this.