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I don't think I care much for your tone, sir.To paraphrase a Louis Armstrong, "If you have to ask, you'll never know"
I don't make the rules buddy, I just exist in a framework of nature that must conform itself to them, whether it likes it or not.I don't think I care much for your tone, sir.
I am reminded of my recent analogy of stuffing a chicken in a box as an attempt to prove that chickens cannot fly across the yard.
How do you distinguish the authoritarian views you present from straight up Totalitarianism?
Hi TMC - Only read a few of the opening posts so sorry if this has already been put on the table.If time simply measures motion, like Earth's orbit and rotation, then wouldn't that make time a concept of imagination. By this I mean, wouldn't time be a human concept? It wouldn't exist at all!
What do you think of this?
Whatever do you mean, sir? Physical Laws and physical constants are human constructs that consistently describe what humans observe .. and humans alter them to adapt to new observations. There is abundant objective evidence of this .. and none supporting that nature must conform to them.I don't make the rules buddy, I just exist in a framework of nature that must conform itself to them, whether it likes it or not.
Soooo much dictatorship .. and yet so little objective evidence for it!Roidecoeur78 said:No one ever said anything about "free will" or the illusion of "choice". Were you under the impression a universe of nature creates and governs itself, when in reality it must conform itself to pre-existing, immutable, and eternal laws? There is very little wiggle room, since culture is dictated by human nature, which is dictated by biology, which is dictated by chemistry, which is dictated by physics, which is dictated by pre-existing, immutable laws. Scratch that, there is no wiggle room. But, for comedic effect, let's ask an expert. Hey, Fartsniffing Cumberbun! what say ye of free will or no free will?
Roidecoeur78 said:Plato, Schopenhauer, Einstein, Feynman, Gödel, Jung, Kierkegaard, Turing, Fermi, Crick and Watson, and countless others ..
Time is fundamental to human minds making sense of their perceptions and observations. Try it sometime .. try making sense of some perception without invoking the concept of time (I almost guarantee you won't be able to).Hi TMC - Only read a few of the opening posts so sorry if this has already been put on the table.
But as to time being a measurement of motion/change - If we close our eyes, count to ten in our heads then open our eyes and everything is exactly the same, that is, nothing has moved or changed, then have we not, never the less, measured 'time?
I lean towards understanding 'time' as being nothing more (without being in any way dismissive of it) than calibrations of eternity. Time always assumes a beginning and end.
When Moses (or whoever) first wrote, "In the beginning ..." he was defining a starting point. We humans, in this life, are 'contained' within this particular calibration. We may mark and measure (even invent) all sorts of 'times' within this particular 'period' but because we are contained in it we are subject to it.
Yea if I had the time I'd write a book about it.
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No makey sense. How babblin' monkey gawn both be mayker of, ubserver of, and splainer of da rules wich be rulin him? Mos illogicol!Whatever do you mean, sir? Physical Laws and physical constants are human constructs that consistently describe what humans observe
They, like you and I, were products of their place and time, and could not be other than who and what they were. Because, like you and I, they did not pick "their" parents, name, 1st grade teacher, culture, ethnicity, historical era, geographic location, lifespan, temperament, siblings, background, height, gender, mental faculties, species, surrounding events, planet, or "their" lack thereof concerning any of those things. And so they had no control over their trajectory, not during its beginning, middle, or end. Those aspects were not "theirs" in any sense of possession, they were "theirs" because they had been assigned them. Yet I'm sure, like you, they liked to believe they were free to be the authors of their own destiny. You like to believe you have a “free” will, and that you somehow choose how you will act or react in any given situation. But you didn't get to choose any of the details that went into making you. You can’t even save yourself from being here and now, yet you like to think a member of a species that emerges from the dust is somehow going to escape the dust.What say ye now about your own evidence of the trail and purpose of the intellectual contributions of:
What is "beyond" our universe???Are you sure that conservation of energy applies "beyond" the universe?
So if anything is possible, than a universe in which there exists God is also entirely possible.... Yes?Its entirely possible that there are other universes (with their own time, space, and stuff) besides ours.
I mean anything other than our universe.What is "beyond" our universe???.
Knee jerk reaction is yes.So if anything is possible, than a universe in which there exists God is also entirely possible.... Yes?
Meh; a child's game.To paraphrase a Louis Armstrong, "If you have to ask, you'll never know"
They apply equally as well in the stationary and moving twins frame...Did I not state the conversation laws do not apply across frames?
Why? You don't really want to discuss Doppler shift which is a wave moving through a medium....Try sticking to the subject involving Doppler shift because it gives a clear insight into what is going on.
Because you ignore that Doppler is actually a wave moving in a medium. Need I explain energy transfer if coming towards an object or away from an object?By its very nature Doppler shift is an increase or decrease in energy depending on the whether the source is moving towards or away from the observer.
What time translation? If you want time translations then why are you not translating time as you go backwards in time????? Ahhh, because now you need your clock rate to be constant so you can claim decay rate is constant??????Using Noether’s theorem however one cannot define the dynamical system of the observer by a Lagrangian which is invariant under a time translation, hence energy is not conserved since the conservation law is not applicable.
Sigh, because you keep ignoring Doppler is a shift of waves traveling through a medium.....Gobbledygook to you but textbook stuff since the early 20th century and known well before an expanding Universe was even envisaged.
Since you now admit energy can have a different value in each frame, the observer measures a Doppler shift resulting in an energy loss or gain relative to the moving frame and cannot claim the conservation law is violated, but instead energy is not conserved across frames. This is a simple example of Noether’s theorem at work.
This from the guy who's only explanation of Doppler is sound waves moving through a medium imparting or gaining energy from that medium, then claiming we'll ignore all the matter light travels through because i need an argument.....For someone who boasted about understanding conservation laws by stating every system has a conservation law you have contradicted yourself by showing the opposite is in fact correct.
Ever seen energy be destroyed? Minus your confused conception of Doppler which is a wave traveling through a medium of course. Oh that's right, you need to believe the laws can be violated to postulate your Doppler shift which isnt a Doppler shift but instead caused by expansion of space through magical energy creation. My bad.....How the goalposts have changed considerably over so few posts.
Let me remind you of its original content.
"Why, do you have a problem with the scientific claim that energy is not subject to time?????"
This statement seems to change meaning from post to post.
So now we have gone from falling balls to bouncing balls; and now bouncing balls with energy conservation, fishbowls and imaginary matter.
The fact that your original statement was comprehensively wrong as illustrated using a falling ball as an example; it doesn’t make it right with your subsequent spin stories.
Are we going to get yet another version next time?
Yes, I know, in your world motion magically happens without acceleration.....You mean where you quoted various values for orbits such as 1000 mph, 67000 mph or 514000 mph blissfully unaware you were quoting velocity not acceleration!!!
Ecept we both know thay are not constant, that is why orbits are calculated as accelerations... Or did you have another strawman to argue??/Do you understand if these values are constant the acceleration is zero?
If you say so....For the rest of us even with a minimal knowledge of orbits; the stationary accelerometer reads zero tangential acceleration because the Earth is not accelerating through space.
I even gave you the explanation for circular and near circular orbits where the tangential acceleration is for all intents and purposes zero including a calculation based on the Earth’s perihelion and aphelion velocities leads to a negligibly small acceleration.
You continue to be confused as to WHY the accelerometer reads zero... Although technically it reads 9.8 meters per second per second here on the earth's surface...You chose to ignore the accelerometer evidence and the explanations given because your patently absurd ideas are based on a pet theory where the evidence and science can be damned.
I'm not on the loosing end. You just keep hiding behind your conflicting arguments and wont let yourself see them for what they are..... And when you can't hide any more you start claiming physics never observed in any laboratory, but only way-out-that-a-way, while refusing to see it is Dad's argument in a nutshell which you fervently object to... Lol, loosing, Lol.....Who exactly is piling on the insults here particularly when it is at its most prevalent when you find yourself on the losing end of a discussion?
The truth hurts when it is pointed out via the testimony of your posts as to why you are way out of your depth and your predictable response to resort to arrogance and rudeness as a form of compensation.
Yah, it's usually the ones that start it that end up not being able to take the return heat.....Your insult has well and truly backfired as it has been inadvertently directed at the moderators with this impressive conspiracy theory that I can get threads shut down by baiting posters given it is the moderators who have the final decision.
The moderators must be in on the scheme it as well.
Ironically the moderators have been most helpful in providing advice on how to avoid being baited as you have attempted to do with your responses as well as spelling out the forum rules some of which I was not aware of.
Well my God said He is "in" everything and everywhere. I'm not sure about their God.... They will have to answer that....Knee jerk reaction is yes.
But to properly answer, I'd have to know what you mean by "God", because it means different things to different people.
For example, most believers dont even think God is "in" a universe. Rather, He transcends it.
How do you?I don't think I care much for your tone, sir.
I am reminded of my recent analogy of stuffing a chicken in a box as an attempt to prove that chickens cannot fly across the yard.
How do you distinguish the authoritarian views you present from straight up Totalitarianism?
We would have to delve into the metaphysical, since this universe is all I know that exists....I mean anything other than our universe.
Yeah, its a problem with language that we have to use spatial terms to talk about space other than our space.
We just have to make the best of the words we have.
Just so I can understand you, can you tell me where you think the meanings of the words you use to convey your messages to me, come from?. ..Yet I'm sure, like you, they liked to believe they were free to be the authors of their own destiny. You like to believe you have a “free” will, and that you somehow choose how you will act or react in any given situation. But you didn't get to choose any of the details that went into making you. You can’t even save yourself from being here and now, yet you like to think a member of a species that emerges from the dust is somehow going to escape the dust.
To paraphrase a Schopenhauer, "You may choose what you will. But you cannot choose that you have a will in the first place, or what it desires".
Just a bit ago you were happy to speculate about conditions beyond/outside our universe.We would have to delve into the metaphysical, since this universe is all I know that exists....
Sure we do. Science says energy can neither be created nor destroyed, so it definitely existed prior......
New phone, who dis?Just so I can understand you, can you tell me where you think the meanings of the words you use to convey your messages to me, come from?
Were they in your opinion, just sort of floating around in eternity .. just waiting for us to come long and use them in recreating some pre-existing reality?
Oh no, that would still be part of “this” universe, just in the past. It would in no way imply another universe....Just a bit ago you were happy to speculate about conditions beyond/outside our universe.
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