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Islam doesn't condone terror

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Christians often refer to Islam as a terrorist religion, and they abuse the Arabic word "Jihad" and portray it as a reference to terrorism. We must not forget that JIHAD began in the Bible, where GOD Almighty Commanded His followers to fight for His Holy Cause. Let us look at what the Bible says about Jihad:

GOD Almighty Chose the land of Palestine to be the Jews' "Promise Land", and thus, ordered them to go into it and fight the pagans there so they can have possession over it:
Numbers 13:26-28
26 They came back to Moses and Aaron and the whole Israelite community at Kadesh in the Desert of Paran. There they reported to them and to the whole assembly and showed them the fruit of the land.
27 They gave Moses this account: "We went into the land to which you sent us, and it does flow with milk and honey! Here is its fruit.
28 But the people who live there are powerful, and the cities are fortified and very large. We even saw descendants of Anak there.

One simple Question: Did the disbelievers in the land of Palestine during the times of Moses start any war with the Hebrews who ORIGINALLY came from Egypt?? Absolutely Not!

Later on, the Hebrews or the "Israelites" or the "Jews" (call them as you wish) have committed Pedophilia, Murders and Terrorism against those disbelievers:
"Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. (Numbers 31:17-18)"
Now what crime did the innocent children and non-virgin women commit in order for them to get killed?

It's odd how one of the 10 Commandments says "Thou shalt not kill (or murder). (Exodus 20:13)", and yet, the bible ordered the killing of innocent children and non-virgin girls by the mass!

Again I challange all of you to put up a verse in the Noble Quran where Allah (Swt) Orders to kill an innocent Boy/Woman.​
 
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Never mentioned in the bible? Oh...really.
So we have the Old Testament, Jews in their history have had their share of conflicts, military conquests, so on and so forth, what does this prove? That Jews today should grab their weapons and fight against forces, peoples, governments that DO NOT exist today? How do you apply this in the theological and historical context and how does it compare it to the vague definitions of non-believers in the Quran?
 
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Sorry, you lose.

All those you mention are in the Old Testament, which, a people cannot understand without knowing the Christian theology. Please do some research about it, do some research about why there's none of them in the New Testament, and we may hold another conversation then.

Peace.
 
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Again I challange all of you to put up a verse in the Noble Quran where Allah (Swt) Orders to kill an innocent Boy/Woman.

Quoting the nutcase Osama Abdallah doesn't really help your case here, he has a polemical attitude towards any theological argument, he doesn't check his sources, he doesn't know biblical exegesis, in short, he is a very good example of a cyber-jihadist. Now you keep talking about "innocent" .... What is the definition of "innocent" in the islamic literature?
 
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Hello,
Jesus told His disciples to go to the market and buy one sword. Jesus was well aware of the events that would follow, and of Roman involvement.

Luke 22:36 - 38
36 He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.
37 It is written: ‘And he was numbered with the transgressors’; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment.”
38 The disciples said, “See, Lord, here are two swords.”
“That’s enough!” he replied


That was immediately after the Last Supper, from which they went to the Garden of Gethsemane, on the Mount of Olives. it was there Jesus was arrested and Peter drew the sword to cut the soldier's ear off. Jesus healed the soldier, but without the sword Jesus would not have found occasion to say that those who live by the sword will die by the sword. Had Peter not have stepped forward to defend Jesus, swords might not have been drawn at all. The sword's purpose was to make God's position on such things perfectly clear.


At the crucifixion of Jesus, there were three types of people present; those with hearts towards Him, as in John, Mary, and the one of those crucified with Him; those with hearts set against him, as in those scribes and Pharisees whom Jesus has previously said were of the father the devil; and the Roman soldiers who were just following orders - to them He was just another unknown criminal - although Pilate could find no fault in him. Those who had committed the unforgivable sin would have found no forgiveness, so when Jesus said those words of love from the cross, "Father forgive them because they do not know what they are doing," In the main it would have been for those Roman soldiers.


Of course, the Resurrection of Jesus from the dead is Gods' verdict! Not guilty and upheld and proven by Almighty God. No doubt!
 
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The Crusades in the Bible:

Revelation 13:7
He was given power to make war against the saints and to conquer them. And he was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation
 
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''When we talk about Christianity, it's never EVER mentioned in any parts of the Bible or any other scriptures,''

That's what you said. Old testament is a part of the bible and ''other scriptures''.
 
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An innocent person is someone who haven't fought you, treated your safety, driven you out of your home. That's innocent.
 
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I will put up Iraq where many women and children have been and are being killed

I've already put up examples to them but they deny it and change subject. To them it's a big different when the killing of civilians are 100 thousand or 200 thousand... In the Quran killing a human begin is like killing the whole mankind (thats the wealth of a human) and saving a human begins life is like saving all mankind.

Peace.
 
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An innocent person is someone who haven't fought you, treated your safety, driven you out of your home. That's innocent.

That is actually a dictionary definition, which is legit but that is not so much the definition of what the jihadists consider when the tables turn. Therefore logically an Palestinian kid who waves his AK-47 should be considered innocent but he is not, he is a combatant. The term innocent can be explained away with such a wide connotation based on the religious and political situation that anyone can define it as they see it fit. People that die in jihadist attacks were innocent, too. Those European boys who were forced into janissary institutions were also innocent, so?
 
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In the Quran killing a human begin is like killing the whole mankind (thats the wealth of a human) and saving a human begins life is like saving all mankind.

Peace.
Then, Muhammad has no idea of the Quran because he has killed himself...
 
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''When we talk about Christianity, it's never EVER mentioned in any parts of the Bible or any other scriptures,''

That's what you said. Old testament is a part of the bible and ''other scriptures''.
The problem is that he offered you the argument that Christian Scriptures has a complete picture, it reveals us the history of mankind under God's guidance and God's action with and towards men, and upholding His standards. God gave guidance but never ever needed mankind's defense or effort to uphold His own law unlike Islamists seem to think of. So maybe you can tell us which command of Allah abrogates one another in this respect in the Quran...
 
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I never claimed I supported ''Jihadist'', I never did it. You are pathetic right now when you try to collide islam and ''Jihadists''. I've already given you evidence in the Quran that terror didn't start in the Quran, instead it begun in the bible. Find me a Quran verse when killing is aloud, (Killing innocent). You still got lack of knowledge in your bible, this is a humans wealth according to Bible.

Leviticus 25:44-46 "Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly."

What kind of a human value does the Bible give to slaves? If slaves and their children must be inherited and passed down to newer generations as slaves, then how in the world will they ever gain their freedom? Does the Bible believe in Freedom? Does the Bible believe in liberating human beings from slavery? Apparently it does not.



And Jews are discribed as dogs.

All Gentiles are the Jews' dogs:
Matthew 7:6
6 "Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces.

Whatever happened to:

Matthew 5:20,43-44
20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
43 "You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.'
44 But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,
 
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Define terror for me, find out what it is, find a verse in the Quran that supports it and stop look like a fool in my eyes. Right now it's word against word, you don't put up anything....Until then I will just ignore you.
 
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Define terror for me, find out what it is, find a verse in the Quran that supports it and stop look like a fool in my eyes. Right now it's word against word, you don't put up anything....Until then I will just ignore you.

Because you have no foundation to stand on,you view Jesus as a prophet,but don't realize He is infinitely greater than all the prophets.Nothing will change until muslims can grasp the futility of ritualistic religion and then turn from it and embrace true faith.The cycle of Jihadist violence will continue while the majority of moderate muslims say nothing because in the interest of Dar al Harb becoming Dar al Islam the end justifies the means.One day this strife will end and when the final curtain call comes,all who have rejected Jesus will be in for a rude awaking.
 
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There's nothing called moderate muslims. It's just something that west try to tell us. We truely respect Jesus (Pbuh) but we don't accepet him as begin a part of God (Gods son). Why should I base my faith, my way of life in a corrupted book? Written by men? Written from words of men? Hmmm...Certainly Islam has more to offer for the people that search for the truth. I've already put up evidence about terrorism is not from Islam but you keep discussing it which means you haven't read what have been said and swim in a sea of ignorance.

Peace.
 
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