You don't seem to get it what Jihad means, yet again you abuse it without knowing the meaning of it and what the Quran says about Jihad, put up evidence and I will reply.
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No kidding, what else do you have but arguing Exodus? An instruction of God to a defined, limited people on a local ground, limited scale, how do you theologically apply that to this modern day? HOW? Show me how that applies today? The difference is, it is not global Jihad, it is not a command to fight until Islam remains, it is not a command that only religion before Allah is Islam.
Hardly.
Weasels... What a joke. It doesn't have to specify "innocent children" Your challenge is to show how Islam is peaceful in that respect.
Thanks, but not the one Islam promises, hopefully...
And would you please put up the Laws of God that Jesus (Pbuh) Taught?
Mark 12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this [is] the first commandment.
31 And the second [is] like, [namely] this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
What? You don't know the highest laws of Christianity?
These are the highest laws of God and are not related to kind of religion, race or whatever...
All valid prophets validate these statements as the highest laws...
Christianity still has prophets and thereby a vast number of prophetic texts (besides the Bible)... There is no reason, why there shouldn't be any more prophets. Both in theory and practice....
People have different views on them, it's why I asked for you to define.
You don't seem to get it what Jihad means, yet again you abuse it without knowing the meaning of it and what the Quran says about Jihad, put up evidence and I will reply.
I know very well what it means, I know the historical context it has been used. In my native country, people name their kids after it, don't sugar coat it just because your religion seems to have been hijacked....You don't seem to get it what Jihad means, yet again you abuse it without knowing the meaning of it and what the Quran says about Jihad, put up evidence and I will reply.
Don't even go there,the whole Jihad means struggle argument is seriously lacking.Struggle against what?Temptation on a personal level?What about in the context of the world?The domination of all others,Seriously the deceptive word play used to defend radical Islam may fool the rest of the world,but it won't fool Christians.The ultimate goal of Islam is a World Caliphate,to that I say NO THANK YOU.
Evidence to substantiate? Did you read any of the evidence that we haven't seen before? Do you wish to see another copy&paste contest which will not address issues? My opinions as a former cultural muslim does have a little bit of weight than that.Let's be fair. Rebax has given lots of evidence to substantiate his point, but you're just giving opinions as if they're truths which can never be refuted.
I know very well what it means, I know the historical context it has been used. In my native country, people name their kids after it, don't sugar coat it just because your religion seems to have been hijacked....
the difference between my arguments and yours are that I have sources, evidence from my Holy book and I base my arguments according to them. You just come with statements that you have heard from people with lack of knowledge and spread it, if you have anything in the Quran that you would put here that support your idea then you're welcome. Jihad was explained in 3 different ways and you can read about it there in my previous posts if you are interested.
Quote mining is not evidence, where is the substance? You quote the evidence but you don't explain the actions, this is a typical muslim behavior in regards to dealing with current issues. Please explain your attitude why you believe that "we" base our argument to what we "heard" and you didn't? I know how jihad is broken down, none of this mattered in the pre-9/11 world. Again , hiding behind the vagueness of definitions we are to explain it away...the difference between my arguments and yours are that I have sources, evidence from my Holy book and I base my arguments according to them. You just come with statements that you have heard from people with lack of knowledge and spread it, if you have anything in the Quran that you would put here that support your idea then you're welcome. Jihad was explained in 3 different ways and you can read about it there in my previous posts if you are interested.
Not sure what period you are talking about other than imposing your notions you base on your understanding of historical accounts. Did Christians form a divine ordered force to take it from the Jews? Did the Latin world form a force to protect what they believed the Holy Land from the invasions of islamic military force? Which period?All religions have tried to spread their religion, not to speak about the christian missions, trying to take over jerusalem with blood-shed.
When the islamic golden age was going on during this period, artists, engineers, scholars, poets, philosophers, geographers and traders in the Islamic world contributed to agriculture, the arts, economics, industry, law, literature, navigation, philosophy, sciences, sociology, and technology, both by preserving earlier traditions and by adding inventions and innovations of their own.
Well, your very own comment about the socio-political mindset of islamic states....Howard R. Turner writes: "Muslim artists and scientists, princes and laborers together made a unique culture that has directly and indirectly influenced societies on every continent. Individuals contributing to the Islamic Golden Age were not necessarily Muslim however, considering many parts of the then-tolerant Islamic world were inhabited by other religious groups, such as Christians, Jews and Mandeans.
Tu quoque argument doesn't explain away what Greeks and other Europeans think of muslims TODAY! That peace you talk about was clearly imposed. You do not know the problems of minorities under the islamic rule. Even today.Which denies all the arguments about muslims/jews/christians can't live in peace in a country. You can compare the west to the islamic regions during those years and not to speak about the christian countries and how they tried to kill everyone who denied that the earth was centre in the unversium.
Not sure what period you are talking about other than imposing your notions you base on your understanding of historical accounts. Did Christians form a divine ordered force to take it from the Jews? Did the Latin world form a force to protect what they believed the Holy Land from the invasions of islamic military force? Which period?
This is not a counter argument to protect Islam and resolve the violence it posed to the globe over the centuries, every culture in itself had a golden period, even pre-islamic cultures, what of them? Greeks, Chinese, Indians, what is your contribution NOW?
Well, your very own comment about the socio-political mindset of islamic states....
Tu quoque argument doesn't explain away what Greeks and other Europeans think of muslims TODAY! That peace you talk about was clearly imposed. You do not know the problems of minorities under the islamic rule. Even today.
Actually, it's always important to get the point in these kind of arguments: On what basis did all these happen ? Well, all the muslims did was a direct order of their koran and therefore they believe that it's a heavenly mission to kill non-muslims.All religions have tried to spread their religion, not to speak about the christian missions, trying to take over jerusalem with blood-shed.
I don't know how many artists-philosophers etc of the golden-muslim age you know, but I know quite a lot of them did start to act AGAINST their religion as they got more into arts and philosophy and other stuff, I can give you one example, Omar Hayyam, he was a Turkish guy but if there's an English translation of his works, you can get the point very well.When the islamic golden age was going on during this period, artists, engineers, scholars, poets, philosophers, geographers and traders in the Islamic world contributed to agriculture, the arts, economics, industry, law, literature, navigation, philosophy, sciences, sociology, and technology, both by preserving earlier traditions and by adding inventions and innovations of their own. Howard R. Turner writes: "Muslim artists and scientists, princes and laborers together made a unique culture that has directly and indirectly influenced societies on every continent. Individuals contributing to the Islamic Golden Age were not necessarily Muslim however, considering many parts of the then-tolerant Islamic world were inhabited by other religious groups, such as Christians, Jews and Mandeans.
When was the last time you have spoken to a Greek or Serbian national? Or Armenian, or Romanian, or Bulgarian? My words don't convince you since "it is a bunch of empty speaking" Really? See, as an ex-muslim I am aware of the social and cultural problems islamic communities suffered over the centuries, and you are aware of these, too, however the necessary critical point of view will not be given to us by yourself. I am not the only former muslim that has criticized Islam over the years, so what source should satisfy you? Because at this point, you are not going to approach the issues via a logical route which should consider personal experiences, but demand pages of written material from individuals that you would likely to choose. How many times have you exposed a "fake" muslim? Isn't that a paranoia?Oh enligten me of the problems that minorities had under Islamic rules. (Which source) your words dosen't convince me since it's a bunch of empty speaking. Knowing the fact that you were ex-muslim is hard to believe for every reply you make. Maybe you was one of the fake ex-muslims that was expossed, hmm.
'So hence Christians must now admit their God is violent,
Peace.
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