Isis,

[Shadowprophet]

I dont even know if this is a topic that should be here, if its not, then please remove it.

Isis is horrible, the news i've seen, the things i've heard.

As long as i live, i'll never forget what they have done to children, i am not a killer, but I would kill an Isis!! Which is sad for me, because i really do want to kill an Isis for what they do to kids, this might make me a bad person, i accept that.



My real question is, are they truly just crazy murderers or do they truly believe in their cause? War is war, bad things happen in war, but is Isis just a bunch of killers? Do they truly believe in their own cause?

I dont believe they do, i believe they use the Muslim religion as a scapegoat to justify their own greed. Because who in this world, Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, who could find justification in their scriptures to harm a child? Even the Muslim Bible forbids that.




And i meant it, yeah, i would kill an Isis,

Would waste no time doing so.

 

[Inkfingers]

i believe they use the Muslim religion as a scapegoat to justify their own greed.

Did Mohammed do that when he executed male prisoners of war in order that his men could rape their wives? Or when he wrote of trees and rocks calling out that Jews were hiding behind them and that a muslim should come along and kill the Jew?

Did Saladin do that when he expanded the caliphate?

Did the Moguls? The Umayyads? The Abbasids? The Fatimids? The Almohads? The Ottomans?

Do Saudi do that when they whip and behead people?

Do Pakistan and Iran do it when they stone rape victims?

ISIS are not unusual in Islam. They are not an extremist twisting of Islam. They ARE Islam. The Islam you can see across the world. The Islam that would show you real "homophobia" where they cut your homosexual friend's head off rather than just politely protest same-sex "marriage". The Islam that refuses Christians entry to Mecca, will allow no Churchs to be built in Saudi, which is torching Churches across the world, and which if you had the audacity to read from the Bible in Saudi you'd be lucky to get out alive.

People need to wake up to Islam.

It's not comparable to Judaism and Christianity. It is inherently violent from its Prophets own actions and words.

And it is coming.

 

[Shadowprophet]

Did Mohammed do that when he executed male prisoners of war in order that his men could rape their wives? Or when he wrote of trees and rocks calling out that Jews were hiding behind them and that a muslim should come along and kill the Jew?

Did Saladin do that when he expanded the caliphate?

Did the Moguls? The Umayyads? The Abbasids? The Fatimids? The Almohads? The Ottomans?

Do Saudi do that when they whip and behead people?

Do Pakistan and Iran do it when they stone rape victims?

ISIS are not unusual in Islam. They are not an extremist twisting of Islam. They ARE Islam. The Islam you can see across the world. The Islam that would show you real "homophobia" where they cut your homosexual friend's head off rather than just politely protest same-sex "marriage". The Islam that refuses Christians entry to Mecca, will allow no Churchs to be built in Saudi, which is torching Churches across the world, and which if you had the audacity to read from the Bible in Saudi you'd be lucky to get out alive.

People need to wake up to Islam.

It's not comparable to Judaism and Christianity. It is inherently violent from its Prophets own actions and words.

And it is coming.

I do agree, i was just a little skidish to actually throw the entirety of the Muslim religion under a bus, but yes, you are correct,,

The real problem is, as long as Islam exists, there will never be peace

 

[Tess]

ISIS are not unusual in Islam. They are not an extremist twisting of Islam. They ARE Islam. The Islam you can see across the world.

I disagree, and I think that your post is fear-mongering.

ISIS do terrible, sickening things under the guise of religion.

I don't necessarily disagree that the Qur'an and Hadiths are violent at times, but it is categorically untrue that the attitudes of ISIS are 'not unusual' in Islam.

Musims for the most part are peaceful, loving, normal people, some of whom are more godly than some Christians. The majority of Muslims are just as shocked and appalled at what ISIS do as we are.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

I dont even know if this is a topic that should be here, if its not, then please remove it.

Isis is horrible, the news i've seen, the things i've heard.

As long as i live, i'll never forget what they have done to children, i am not a killer, but I would kill an Isis!! Which is sad for me, because i really do want to kill an Isis for what they do to kids, this might make me a bad person, i accept that.



My real question is, are they truly just crazy murderers or do they truly believe in their cause? War is war, bad things happen in war, but is Isis just a bunch of killers? Do they truly believe in their own cause?

I dont believe they do, i believe they use the Muslim religion as a scapegoat to justify their own greed. Because who in this world, Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, who could find justification in their scriptures to harm a child? Even the Muslim Bible forbids that.




And i meant it, yeah, i would kill an Isis,

Would waste no time doing so.

Have you read the Old Testament thoroughly? That's the source from which Muslims have adopted (or I should say 'adapted') their various views on Jihad and Holy War. They think they're doing something 'holy.'

 

[Inkfingers]

I do agree, i was just a little skidish to actually throw the entirety of the Muslim religion under a bus, but yes, you are correct,,

The real problem is, as long as Islam exists, there will never be peace

We need to teach Muslims about Christ (the real one, not the fake Muslim version) and hope that Muslims become apostate and then are saved by God's grace.

Far too many 'Christians' today are far too accomodating of Islam.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

We need to teach Muslims about Christ (the real one, not the fake Muslim version) and hope that Muslims become apostate and then are saved by God's grace.

Far too many 'Christians' today are far too accomodating of Islam.

That's because a lot of people, including Christians, don't have the foggiest idea what Islam is and what it is about. For them, it's some exotic religion 'over there somewhere' in the Middle-East.

 

[TheGirlOnFire]

Did Mohammed do that when he executed male prisoners of war in order that his men could rape their wives? Or when he wrote of trees and rocks calling out that Jews were hiding behind them and that a muslim should come along and kill the Jew?

Did Saladin do that when he expanded the caliphate?

Did the Moguls? The Umayyads? The Abbasids? The Fatimids? The Almohads? The Ottomans?

Do Saudi do that when they whip and behead people?

Do Pakistan and Iran do it when they stone rape victims?

ISIS are not unusual in Islam. They are not an extremist twisting of Islam. They ARE Islam. The Islam you can see across the world. The Islam that would show you real "homophobia" where they cut your homosexual friend's head off rather than just politely protest same-sex "marriage". The Islam that refuses Christians entry to Mecca, will allow no Churchs to be built in Saudi, which is torching Churches across the world, and which if you had the audacity to read from the Bible in Saudi you'd be lucky to get out alive.

People need to wake up to Islam.

It's not comparable to Judaism and Christianity. It is inherently violent from its Prophets own actions and words.

And it is coming.

It hard even for muslims to get into the Mecca, they must have a sponsership..... And you can read the bible in Saudi but only in your own home and your only allowed ONE bible..... there is 1 million christians in Saudi....


Just informing you i know someone who live in compond over their they are christain.

And ISIS has came from the Iraq wars you can thank Blair and Bush for that one

 

[Inkfingers]

That's because a lot of people, including Christians, don't have the foggiest idea what Islam is and what it is about. For them, it's some exotic religion 'over there somewhere' in the Middle-East.

This is true.

There are also a lot of "left leaning" Christians who fall for the whole "its racist to criticise Islam" nonsense.

It hard even for muslims to get into the Mecca, they must have a sponsership..... And you can read the bible in Saudi but only in your own home and your only allowed ONE bible..... there is 1 million christians in Saudi....

Sorry, yes, I should have said try walking down the street with a Bible, or reading it at a cafe or park.

Just informing you i know someone who live in compond over their they are christain.

I hope they are careful the Saudi government are a bunch of loons.

And ISIS has came from the Iraq wars you can thank Blair and Bush for that one

ISIS is just a new name on a VERY old thing, but yes Blair and Bush did not help.

I still find it highly ironic that a year ago the government were pushing to fight on the same side as ISIS against Assad.

 

[Aldebaran]

And ISIS has came from the Iraq wars you can thank Blair and Bush for that one

So who do we thank for September 11, 2001? Or the original WTC bombing in 1993?

 

[Euler]

Did Mohammed do that when he executed male prisoners of war in order that his men could rape their wives? Or when he wrote of trees and rocks calling out that Jews were hiding behind them and that a muslim should come along and kill the Jew?

Did Saladin do that when he expanded the caliphate?

Did the Moguls? The Umayyads? The Abbasids? The Fatimids? The Almohads? The Ottomans?

Do Saudi do that when they whip and behead people?

Do Pakistan and Iran do it when they stone rape victims?

ISIS are not unusual in Islam. They are not an extremist twisting of Islam. They ARE Islam. The Islam you can see across the world. The Islam that would show you real "homophobia" where they cut your homosexual friend's head off rather than just politely protest same-sex "marriage". The Islam that refuses Christians entry to Mecca, will allow no Churchs to be built in Saudi, which is torching Churches across the world, and which if you had the audacity to read from the Bible in Saudi you'd be lucky to get out alive.

People need to wake up to Islam.

It's not comparable to Judaism and Christianity. It is inherently violent from its Prophets own actions and words.

And it is coming.

What "scapegoat" did Joshua use when he slaughtered all the women and children of the Canaanites, keeping the virgins for him and his men, of course?

What "scapegoat" was used when the hearts of the Canaanites were "hardened" to ensure a more complete slaughter?

What "scapegoat" is used to condone the practice of slavery and the barbaric treatment of slaves?

 

[Aldebaran]

What "scapegoat" did Joshua use when he slaughtered all the women and children of the Canaanites, keeping the virgins for him and his men, of course?

What "scapegoat" was used when the hearts of the Canaanites were "hardened" to ensure a more complete slaughter?

What "scapegoat" is used to condone the practice of slavery and the barbaric treatment of slaves?

No scapegoats. Just command from God due to decisions made by the Canaanites. They chose to abandon God and to follow the course of evil and were punished accordingly.

 

[Euler]

No scapegoats. Just command from God due to decisions made by the Canaanites. They chose to abandon God and to follow the course of evil and were punished accordingly.

And the ISIS butchers use the same justification. They believe they are doing the 'will of God' in destroying the evil infidel.

 

[TheGirlOnFire]

So who do we thank for September 11, 2001? Or the original WTC bombing in 1993?

Ok am so going to get into THAT one.....

Some people have their tin foil hats on regarding both......

BUT Iraq was a illegal war that called 1 million innocent people women and children, hence since the Iraq/Afgan wars things have got worse.... Hence why you have to lay some of the blame at their door.

Things aren't black and white, so step away from the media and do your own research and make up your own mind on it... Frankly we all shall never know what really goes on.....

 

[Aldebaran]

Ok am so going to get into THAT one.....

Some people have their tin foil hats on regarding both......

BUT Iraq was a illegal war that called 1 million innocent people women and children, hence since the Iraq/Afgan wars things have got worse.... Hence why you have to lay some of the blame at their door.

Things aren't black and white, so step away from the media and do your own research and make up your own mind on it... Frankly we all shall never know what really goes on.....

I know. But I think the Iraq/Afgan wars could have been more successful if they hadn't been made to be so complicated. I mean, they (the government) declares victory after Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden were killed, but they made it out to be so much more, such as building schools, holding elections, and trying to make people think the way we want them to. In the past, we defeated the enemy and declared victory, such as in WW2. Now they turn war into a nation destroying/rebuilding/reeducating process.

BTW, my original question about 9/11 was to point out that the bad guys attacked us before there was anything done by Bush or Blair.

 

[Aldebaran]

And the ISIS butchers use the same justification. They believe they are doing the 'will of God' in destroying the evil infidel.

Sounds like they need to stop following the wrong god.

 

[Euler]

We need to teach Muslims about Christ (the real one, not the fake Muslim version) and hope that Muslims become apostate and then are saved by God's grace.

Far too many 'Christians' today are far too accomodating of Islam.

I think you'll find that's been tried many times through history - and it's failed.

The 'solution' will be a long and tedious one. Islam and Islamic communities will need to go through a similar process that Christendom has experienced over the past several centuries. They need to come to their own realization that fundamentalism is not in their own best interests and to jettison much of the dogma, fear, suspicion and superstition that infects their societies.

Just as Christian nations have largely done and continue to do so.

 

[Euler]

I know. But I think the Iraq/Afgan wars could have been more successful if they hadn't been made to be so complicated. I mean, they (the government) declares victory after Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden were killed, but they made it out to be so much more, such as building schools, holding elections, and trying to make people think the way we want them to. In the past, we defeated the enemy and declared victory, such as in WW2. Now they turn war into a nation destroying/rebuilding/reeducating process.

Which was also done in Germany and Japan after the war.

BTW, my original question about 9/11 was to point out that the bad guys attacked us before there was anything done by Bush or Blair.

Except the 'bad guys' had nothing to do with Iraq.

 

[Inkfingers]

I think you'll find that's been tried many times through history - and it's failed.

The 'solution' will be a long and tedious one. Islam and Islamic communities will need to go through a similar process that Christendom has experienced over the past several centuries. They need to come to their own realization that fundamentalism is not in their own best interests and to jettison much of the dogma, fear, suspicion and superstition that infects their societies.

Just as Christian nations have largely done and continue to do so.

Christianity had its reformation in an age when the biggest weapons were a cannon ball.

Islam is still 200 years behind but in an era of nuclear weapons.

 

[Aldebaran]

Which was also done in Germany and Japan after the war.

It was in our interest at that time to do so. They also wanted and needed our help. In Iraq and Afghanistan, we're trying to get them to adopt western culture when they don't want it. Also getting them to elect the leaders we want them to have, and then supporting their overthrow if WE don't like them.

Except the 'bad guys' had nothing to do with Iraq.

I actually agree with you about this. I was questioning our actions in the days leading up to the first strike. So many justifications were being used for bombing them that made no sense. Obama going after the president of Libya (while all the while saying he wasn't) made about the same amount of sense.