Isaiah 55:8-9

I have thought it was speaking of the natural. As we think naturally we don't think as God would think. But if we walk in the Spirit we can have the thoughts that God thinks.

pk4yahweh said:

In Isaiah 55:8-9 the Prophet tells us that "God's thoughts are not our thoughts". I have heard numerous Christians use this as an excuse for why they don't understand something God is doing - or worse - as an explanation for bad theology.

YET - in 1 Cor 2:16 Paul tells us "We have the mind of Christ". Since Jesus obviously knew the plans of the Father - spoke what He told Him to say - and obeyed Him in all things... then we should have the same ability.

Furthermore - Psalm 25:14 says that God shares the secret things with His friends.

Hence why I cringe when I hear faith-filled Christians camp out on that verse.

What say you? Does Isaiah 55:8-9 apply to us under the New Covenent?

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Interestingly, context of Isaiah 55:8-9 is refers to the everlasting covenant (New Covenant) v5. It's incredible that inspite of all the sin and unfaithfulness of Israel, God will still set up an everlasting covenant. Hence, my thoughts are not your thoughts.

Certainly, not understandable by the carnal mind and unregenerate mind. But yes for the mind of Christ. The Holy Spirit will enlightened and illuminate to the things of God

Context... can't pull a verse and examine it... read above and below of the one in question....

Isaiah 55.10 God's Word that accomplishes and returns to him successful = Jesus
Isaiah 55.1-9 ... sinners and God not on the same page... old covenant God comes upon, new covenant God within, 1,2 kings, chronicles, samuel... good God , bad devil examples of obedience and sin.

pk4yahweh said:

In Isaiah 55:8-9 the Prophet tells us that "God's thoughts are not our thoughts". I have heard numerous Christians use this as an excuse for why they don't understand something God is doing - or worse - as an explanation for bad theology.

YET - in 1 Cor 2:16 Paul tells us "We have the mind of Christ". Since Jesus obviously knew the plans of the Father - spoke what He told Him to say - and obeyed Him in all things... then we should have the same ability.

Furthermore - Psalm 25:14 says that God shares the secret things with His friends.

Hence why I cringe when I hear faith-filled Christians camp out on that verse.

What say you? Does Isaiah 55:8-9 apply to us under the New Covenent?

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The scripture can be a reminder to any Christian to check what they are thinking, to compare it with verses, to identify and recognize wrong thinking, or bad theology.

We don't have the mind of Christ unless our thoughts are subjected to God's word of truth as God intended it to be known. I often use Proverbs 3:5-6 in the same way as others use Isaiah 55:8-9.

Not everyone is like you. So maybe you should get over your cringing.

This is the area when we start to get a glimpse of the trinity.

We can not begin to comprehend God, just giving Christ for a bunch of carnal people, makes his love incomprehensible.

Yet by accepting this greatest gift we are transformed, into new creature's.
Sharing his body and blood, we are in Christ.

In Christ the Holy Spirit draws our minds to be Christ like new creature's.
Our thoughts are his thoughts, to love the lord our God with all our heart.
To love our neighbor's as our brothers and sisters in Christ.

We become joint heirs with Christ, and have access to God the father through Christ.

The old and new do not contradict but are joined in Christ.
We know the mind of God by and through Christ.

We know God's will and his promises, we have discernment to know God's mind by the Holy Spirit.

Maybe one of the reason He had the scriptures written was so that we could know how He thinks and thereby begin to start thinking more like He does.

Optimax said:

Maybe one of the reason He had the scriptures written was so that we could know how He thinks and thereby begin to start thinking more like He does.

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Those who wrest these verses out of context and twist them to mean that God's ways and thoughts could somehow be worse than our ways and thoughts never seem to find the time to read on to the end of the passage!

If you decide to be a person of integrity (will you?) you will see how God's thoughts and ways are better than ours, not worse.

Perhaps one of these who love to cause divisions among the brethren will be good enough to actually quote Isaiah 55 to the end of the chapter.

If you do take the time to read to the end of the chapter are see how wrong you are, and then run away lest you see what fool you have made of yourself, I will return in a few days to help you out in that regard.

pk4yahweh said:

In Isaiah 55:8-9 the Prophet tells us that "God's thoughts are not our thoughts". I have heard numerous Christians use this as an excuse for why they don't understand something God is doing - or worse - as an explanation for bad theology.

YET - in 1 Cor 2:16 Paul tells us "We have the mind of Christ". Since Jesus obviously knew the plans of the Father - spoke what He told Him to say - and obeyed Him in all things... then we should have the same ability.

Furthermore - Psalm 25:14 says that God shares the secret things with His friends.

Hence why I cringe when I hear faith-filled Christians camp out on that verse.

What say you? Does Isaiah 55:8-9 apply to us under the New Covenent?

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I agree with you. We Spirit-filled believers do have the same ability or "availability" as the Lord.

We've been given the mind of Christ, but we have to avail ourselves of this ability.

To walk in the Spirit and use the mind of Christ, we need to walk and talk with the Lord as friends (John 15:1-17), in the same way He walked and talked with the Father (John 10).

Otherwise, Isaiah 55:8-9 could apply to us, just as it does to unbelievers or carnal Christians who misinterpret scripture, resist correction from the Lord, and believe bad theology.

Isaiah 55:6-9

New King James Version (NKJV)

6 Seek the Lord while He may be found,
Call upon Him while He is near.
7 Let the wicked forsake his way,
And the unrighteous man his thoughts;
Let him return to the Lord,
And He will have mercy on him;
And to our God,
For He will abundantly pardon.

8 “For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways My ways,” says the Lord.
9 “For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are My ways higher than your ways,
And My thoughts than your thoughts.

pk4yahweh said:

In Isaiah 55:8-9 the Prophet tells us that "God's thoughts are not our thoughts". I have heard numerous Christians use this as an excuse for why they don't understand something God is doing - or worse - as an explanation for bad theology.

What say you? Does Isaiah 55:8-9 apply to us under the New Covenent?

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The mind of God (thoughts) can be revealed to us by the Holy Spirit in whom the Father sent to us in Jesus' name to teach us "all things," and He will remind us of everything that Jesus has taught us from His Word.



Isaiah 55:9-10 "For My thoughts are not your thoughts and My ways are not your ways."



I offer the following for your review...

I Cor. 2:9-10- "Eye hath not seen, nor ear have heard, nor have entered into the heart of man the (things) that God has prepared for those who love Him." (If we were to stop here, it would be simular to Isaiah 8-9) "BUT," God hath revealed them unto us by His Spirit; for the Spirit searcheth (all things), yes even the (deep things) of God."

I believe the meaning of the passage in Isaiah was left as it is since they did not have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit in the fullest as we have in the New Covenant.

Verse 11- Paul was saying that "no one really knows the (deep things) of God except by the Spirit of God, (which is in you)

Verse 12- Paul goes on to say "now that we have the Spirit of God that we might know the (things) that are freely given to us of God."

Verse 16- "For who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ."

I John 2:20- "But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you (know all things.")


Could some of those (things) include Gods thoughts and His ways?


As Ken Copeland quoted recently..."All words that come from our minds first comes through our "thoughts."

I would say "yes" to your question pk, however, just a thought, could (1 Cor. 2:10-16) be the New Covenant replacement of (Isaiah 55:8-9)..?


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