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Of course! It doesn't boost your point, so it's a reach. If it helped you, it'd be the most awesome thing.
The messiah isn't identified as God in the Tanakh, so even if Jesus is the messiah, it doesn't automatically make him God.
It's an observation, not an insult. You just throw together whatever helps you, cut out what doesn't, and throw it in long posts.I guess when all else fails...insult?
Hmm, so how was Matthew sloppy? Its pretty obvious who is paying more attention to detail in this case regarding Messianic prophecy.
It's an observation, not an insult. You just throw together whatever helps you, cut out what doesn't, and throw it in long posts.
Seems like you've been doing more of this within our discourses.
He likes to quote half of sentences and cut out the parts that wouldn't benefit him. Hosea 11:1 comes to mind. It's a disaster to quote the "Israel" part, so he leaves it out.
The donkey thing also comes to mind. Common usage in Hebrew would suggest one animal. He seems confused by Hebrew, so he makes it two. Jesus the Acrobat is amusing, but ultimate Matthew just got it wrong because he didn't really understand Hebrew beyond a basic level.
I remember first reading that and being really struck that it was just SO out of place! I was expecting Emmanuel, and wondering what the point was, and then this VERY clearly NOT Emmanuel name comes up, from the mouth of the LORD no less?!?
Maher-Shalal-Hash-Baz.
So, what does it mean, what's the significance, what's going on here?
Such as?Actually, according to Rabbinical commentary that I've read, the Messiah is pre-existent.
Besides, see Jeremiah 23:5-6 "5 "The days are coming," declares the LORD,
"when I will raise up to David [a] a righteous Branch,
a King who will reign wisely
and do what is just and right in the land.
6 In his days Judah will be saved
and Israel will live in safety.
This is the name by which he will be called:
The LORD Our Righteousness."
Jesus the Acrobat is amusing, .
Such as?
The Targum of Isaiah concurs with this "His name has been called from old, Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, He who lives forever, the Anointed One, in whose days peace shall increase upon us."
Is Jerusalem God as well?
So, what does it mean, what's the significance, what's going on here?
I'll point out that Isaiah only says that the mother will call him Immanuel. God tells Isaiah to call him something else. It fits just as well as Mary calling her son Jesus not Immanuel. Perhaps better, because the prophecy specifically says the mother will call the son, and we never see Mary calling Jesus that.
Just to clear up, Jeremiah 33:Well, thats your a priori context. I don't think so at all.
If its that important this occurs...where does it happen?
Back at you. Where does Mary do it? You don't get to object to mine without answering your own.
I'll point out that Isaiah only says that the mother will call him Immanuel. God tells Isaiah to call him something else. It fits just as well as Mary calling her son Jesus not Immanuel. Perhaps better, because the prophecy specifically says the mother will call the son, and we never see Mary calling Jesus that.
Just to clear up, Jeremiah 33:
16. In those days, Judah shall be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell securely and this is the name that He shall call it, the Lord is our righteousness.
From your point of view, Jerusalem must be God, if that's an identical line used for the messiah and it means the messiah is God.
Do you mean to quote Isaiah 9:
5. For a child has been born to us, a son given to us, and the authority is upon his shoulder, and the wondrous adviser, the mighty God, the everlasting Father, called his name, "the prince of peace." ה. 6. To him who increases the authority, and for peace without end, on David's throne and on his kingdom, to establish it and to support it with justice and with righteousness; from now and to eternity, the zeal of the Lord of Hosts shall accomplish this.
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Ok, thank you. Relevant to this, previously it came up about knowing what Messiah means. I don't. The person here was expected to be that but G-d says name him your enemies will be plundered instead. So in what way is this Messiah? What's the significance?
On Isaiah 9, I utilized the Targum of Isaiah.
That is not a translation per say. It's more like a theological jam session, where these ideas are thrown together.
Why are you rejecting the Targum?
Ok, since you are asking, messiah is an English rendering of the Hebrew word mashiach (or moshiach, Hebrew transliterations vary) which means anointed. Also, christos is the Greek word for the Hebrew word mashiach, thus you get christ.
In the Hebrew scriptures, there are many anointed ones. Prophets, priests, kings, and even Cyrus, king of Persia is referred to as anointed.
The reason we get "The Messiah" as a title is that it is assumed that the future king that will rule over Israel referred to as the son of David and such will be an anointed one, and thus a messiah, and because he is seen as the final king, The Messiah. You will not find a place in the Hebrew bible where this person is actually referred to as The Messiah.
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