Isaiah 53:5 (your Thoughts On Healing)

[IJW]

It is interesting to me how different people interpret Isa 53:5. Some would say that this scripture refers to spiritual healing, and others physical healing. Others on complete healing for your spirit soul and body.Some would say that physical healing is for everyone, and it is Gods will that we all walk in perfect health. Some would say that God chooses to heal some and not to heal others physicaly. Understand that I'm not posting this to cause denominational strife or further division. I believe that Billy Graham, and Keneth Hagen are both Godly and wise men, but they would differ on their interpretation of this scripture. I am strugleing with where I stand personaly with the exact meaning of this scripture, but I do beleave that it is Gods word, and whatever its meening it is true. I khow that God can and does heal physicaly, but I've also seen instances where he didn't even though the person(s) died believing for a miracal. I know that I will never understand everything about God until I enter his Kingdom on the day I die, but I am interested in how others view this scripture. What do you believe in reference to physical healing, and why?

 

[TwinCrier]

I think the book of Job shows us that it's not always God's will for His followers to be in perfect health at all times. My Sunday School teacher walks with a limp he's had for many years and he is certainly a righteous and Godly man. God can and does heal physically, but first and foremost He does what's best for us. Sometimes it's in our best interest to be less than perfect. We need to try NOT to be like those men in Job that caused him grief.

 

[WarriorAngel]

IMHO, the entire Bible is in reference to our SPIRITUAL livlihood, since this life doesnt last forever.

Furthermore, the passage of Isaias 53 speaks of the rejection of Christ.

3 Despised, and the most abject of men, a man of sorrows, and acquainted with infirmity: and his look was as it were hidden and despised, whereupon we esteemed him not. 4 Surely he hath borne our infirmities and carried our sorrows: and we have thought him as it were a leper, and as one struck by God and afflicted. 5 But he was wounded for our iniquities, he was bruised for our sins: the chastisement of our peace was upon him, and by his bruises we are healed. ...etc

By His passion, we are healed.

Peace!

 

[QuantaCura]

I think the book of Job shows us that it's not always God's will for His followers to be in perfect health at all times. My Sunday School teacher walks with a limp he's had for many years and he is certainly a righteous and Godly man. God can and does heal physically, but first and foremost He does what's best for us. Sometimes it's in our best interest to be less than perfect. We need to try NOT to be like those men in Job that caused him grief.

In my opinion, someone who is faithful in trials is much more inspiring than someone who is faithful in good times.

 

[eoe]

This reminds me of the story where the paralytic was lowered through the roof. At first Chirst simply forgave his sins. The spiritual healing was more important than the physical. Still, Christ did heal him physically as well.

The problem is, when people are told that they can get anything with prayer and faith it sets them up for a potentially faith crushing disappointment if the thing does not come to pass. It really is not a healthy teaching at all.

 

[IJW]

I read the NIV translation alot not because I think it's more accurate, but simply because it's a personal preference.If you read the King James translation though it says by his stripes we are healed. I have heared doctrine that interprets this to mean that when Christ was whipped that was specificaly for our physical healing, and for the healing of all mandkind. I m not critisizing or praising this doctrine and I know that people differ greatly on their interpretation of this passage.

 

[IJW]

I read the NIV translation alot not because I think it's more accurate, but simply because it's a personal preference.If you read the King James translation though it says by his stripes we are healed. I have heared doctrine that interprets this to mean that when Christ was whipped that was specificaly for our physical healing, and for the healing of all mandkind. I m not critisizing or praising this doctrine and I know that people differ greatly on their interpretation of this passage.

Is there anyone out there who has had different opinions about this durring the course of their walk with God. What I mean is has anybody beleived one way (either) and later, as they matured spiritualy, believed the other. If so I'd like to her about it.

 

[TruthMiner]

It is interesting to me how different people interpret Isa 53:5. Some would say that this scripture refers to spiritual healing, and others physical healing. Others on complete healing for your spirit soul and body.Some would say that physical healing is for everyone, and it is Gods will that we all walk in perfect health. Some would say that God chooses to heal some and not to heal others physicaly. Understand that I'm not posting this to cause denominational strife or further division. I believe that Billy Graham, and Keneth Hagen are both Godly and wise men, but they would differ on their interpretation of this scripture. I am strugleing with where I stand personaly with the exact meaning of this scripture, but I do beleave that it is Gods word, and whatever its meening it is true. I khow that God can and does heal physicaly, but I've also seen instances where he didn't even though the person(s) died believing for a miracal. I know that I will never understand everything about God until I enter his Kingdom on the day I die, but I am interested in how others view this scripture. What do you believe in reference to physical healing, and why?

It simply means that by his sufferering we are healed from sins that wounded us, either by others, or from ourselves.

 

[IJW]

It simply means that by his sufferering we are healed from sins that wounded us, either by others, or from ourselves.

mabee I shouldn't have put the issue in a box by making only one scripture reference, it's just that that one seems to be used alot in healing ministries. So I'll simplify the post and ask. What are your personal beliefs in reference to physical healing.

 

[IJW]

What about James 5:14&15 "Is any one of you sick? He should call the elders of the church to pray over him and anoint him with oil in the name of the Lord. And prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well; the Lord will raise him up. If he has sinned, he will be forgiven." (NIV)
and how does 1 Timothy 5:22 line up with that?
"Do not be hasty in the laying on of hands, and do not share in the sins of others. Keep yourself pure."
Understand that I'm asking as a student, not a teacher.

 

[IJW]

I think the book of Job shows us that it's not always God's will for His followers to be in perfect health at all times. My Sunday School teacher walks with a limp he's had for many years and he is certainly a righteous and Godly man. God can and does heal physically, but first and foremost He does what's best for us. Sometimes it's in our best interest to be less than perfect. We need to try NOT to be like those men in Job that caused him grief.

As a matter of not so much a coincidence I have been studying Job prior to this post.

 

[JimfromOhio]

Isaiah 53 is a chapter that has been talked about, debated, and argued over for years, and perhaps will continue to be for years to come. According to most theologists, that there is a sense in which physical healing took place in the atoning work of Christ. But that healing waits to be realized in the future. The healing of the atonement will bring about our resurrection in glory, where there will be no pain or suffering (Rev. 21:1-4; 22:1-3). Jesus died to save us from our sins is clear both in Isaiah 53 and many other portions of Scripture. But there are some teachers often state that Jesus also died to deliver us from our diseases. Most of us do not believe that concept. We may say that God might very well promise healing. Any conclusion that physical healing is secured through Christ's death must be derived from other passages. But all other passages regarding Christ's death have to do with deliverance from sin and reconciliation with God.

Isaiah 53:4-6 and Matthew 8:17.
It is interesting that in the book of Matthew, there is a passage about "physical healing" (Matt. 8:17) that it has been conjectured by some that disease as well as sin was included in the atoning death of Christ that goes with Isaiah 53:4-6.

Researched and found out how the "healing" is being used as part one of a major doctrine by some. Scriptures have stated that the Lord took away the diseases (sin) of sinners by healing them. In other words, Jesus died for our spiritual death (sins), not our physical diseases. The physical diseases in themselves are not "sin" but merely one of the results of our sins. Interesting that Isaiah 53:5-6 prophesies that Christ bear our sins on the Cross as mentioned in 1 Peter 2:24-25 (NIV) "He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; by his wounds you have been healed. For you were like sheep going astray, but now you have returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls."

Ezekiel 34:11-12 (NIV)
'For this is what the Sovereign LORD says: I myself will search for my sheep and look after them. As a shepherd looks after his scattered flock when he is with them, so will I look after my sheep.

Hebrew 13:20-21 (NIV)
May the God of peace, who through the blood of the eternal covenant brought back from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great Shepherd of the sheep, equip you with everything good for doing his will, and may he work in us what is pleasing to him, through Jesus Christ, to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Christians need to cultivate a healthy skepticism toward everything that cannot be supported by the plain teaching of the Bible. Belief is faith only when it has God's revealed truth for miracles; beyond that it may be fully as injurious as unbelief itself. "Test everything. Hold on to the good." (First Thessalonians 5:21). When so-called preachers (i.e. Word of Faith) call in the aid of childish stories and shaky illustrations to prove its truth, they do no more than to reveal their hidden unbelief and air their weak credulity. One of the examples is Faith Healing. Faith healing degrades the reputation of God. True faith means be free from selfishness that a prayer must be within according to the will of God; for the honor of God rather than for the mere fulfillment of carnal ambition. Of course this rules out covetousness, competition and twisting words for ungodly desire. Before asking God to give us the desire of our heart, it is wise to ask Him to form the desire heart according to His will. That will mean heart desires that glorify Him not us and that is to our best interest.

 

[TomUK]

Healing is guaranteed to all Christians. However the Isaiah passage doesn't specify what we need to be healed from and when we are going to be healed.

 

[Catherineanne]

What do you believe in reference to physical healing, and why?

I believe that if someone prays to God for my physical healing, perhaps also with laying on of hands, and it is in my spiritual best interests for that healing to take place, then it will.

However, if the condition I bear is one which is there for my spiritual benefit, then it will remain. And, given that God has allowed it in the first place, the second scenario is far more likely to be true than the first.

Either way, the only way to then pray is; 'Thy will be done'. And perhaps also Kyrie eleison.

 

[IJW]

Isaiah 53 is a chapter that has been talked about, debated, and argued over for years, and perhaps will continue to be for years to come. According to most theologists, that there is a sense in which physical healing took place in the atoning work of Christ. But that healing waits to be realized in the future. The healing of the atonement will bring about our resurrection in glory, where there will be no pain or suffering (Rev. 21:1-4; 22:1-3). Jesus died to save us from our sins is clear both in Isaiah 53 and many other portions of Scripture. But there are some teachers often state that Jesus also died to deliver us from our diseases. Most of us do not believe that concept. We may say that God might very well promise healing. Any conclusion that physical healing is secured through Christ's death must be derived from other passages. But all other passages regarding Christ's death have to do with deliverance from sin and reconciliation with God.

Isaiah 53:4-6 and Matthew 8:17.
It is interesting that in the book of Matthew, there is a passage about "physical healing" (Matt. 8:17) that it has been conjectured by some that disease as well as sin was included in the atoning death of Christ that goes with Isaiah 53:4-6.

Researched and found out how the "healing" is being used as part one of a major doctrine by some. Scriptures have stated that the Lord took away the diseases (sin) of sinners by healing them. In other words, Jesus died for our spiritual death (sins), not our physical diseases. The physical diseases in themselves are not "sin" but merely one of the results of our sins. Interesting that Isaiah 53:5-6 prophesies that Christ bear our sins on the Cross as mentioned in 1 Peter 2:24-25 (NIV) "He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; by his wounds you have been healed. For you were like sheep going astray, but now you have returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls."

Ezekiel 34:11-12 (NIV)
'For this is what the Sovereign LORD says: I myself will search for my sheep and look after them. As a shepherd looks after his scattered flock when he is with them, so will I look after my sheep.

Hebrew 13:20-21 (NIV)
May the God of peace, who through the blood of the eternal covenant brought back from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great Shepherd of the sheep, equip you with everything good for doing his will, and may he work in us what is pleasing to him, through Jesus Christ, to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Christians need to cultivate a healthy skepticism toward everything that cannot be supported by the plain teaching of the Bible. Belief is faith only when it has God's revealed truth for miracles; beyond that it may be fully as injurious as unbelief itself. "Test everything. Hold on to the good." (First Thessalonians 5:21). When so-called preachers (i.e. Word of Faith) call in the aid of childish stories and shaky illustrations to prove its truth, they do no more than to reveal their hidden unbelief and air their weak credulity. One of the examples is Faith Healing. Faith healing degrades the reputation of God. True faith means be free from selfishness that a prayer must be within according to the will of God; for the honor of God rather than for the mere fulfillment of carnal ambition. Of course this rules out covetousness, competition and twisting words for ungodly desire. Before asking God to give us the desire of our heart, it is wise to ask Him to form the desire heart according to His will. That will mean heart desires that glorify Him not us and that is to our best interest.

But what about the other two scriptures I posted