Isaac's Story

[WhoeverLovesGod01]

"Isaac's birth took place in England on a cold Christmas Day. He was sick, born premature, and everyone around him thought he was going to die. His father had died two months earlier, and his mother was having a hard time running the farm and looking after her new baby. And a war was raging around them.


Some people think it would have been easier for Isaac's mother if she had aborted Isaac. But his mother wouldn't consider it. And just as well for the world. Isaac grew up to be a scientific genius.


Isaac was the one who discovered the law of gravitation. He revolutionized mathematics by developing calculus. He improved the telescope. He became famous for his work in physics, mathematics, and astronomy. Isaac was the first person to receive a knighthood for scientific achievement. When he died in 1727 at the age of 84 the government honored him by burying him in London's famous Westminster Abbey.


Yes, it might have been easier for his mother to abort the child who became Sir Isaac Newton, but the world would never have known the greatest scientist who ever lived. How many geniuses has the world lost through abortion? We will never know."

- http://www.users.bigpond.com/rdoolan/abortion.html

 

[Voegelin]

He also wrote OBSERVATIONS ON DANIEL AND THE APOCALYPSE OF ST. JOHN

 

[MrSluagh]

Jane and Joe are in a toy store.
JANE: Hey, Joe! You should buy this special edition TurboGuy action figure!

JOE: Dude, it's like, thirty dollars. For a toy. And I'm an adult.

JANE: But in fifty years, it could be worth thirty thousand dollars!

JOE: Dude, take the chance yourself. I've got better things to do with my money.

Bob and Jill are hostages in a bank robbery.
BOB: Psst! Jill! That crook's looking the other way. I'll distract him while you grab his gun!

JILL: Shut up! He might hear you! You're gonna get us killed!

BOB: Come on! If it works, we'll be heroes!

JILL: Quit your theatrics. It'll be over soon. Just do what they say, I don't want to die.

Jack and Beth need money.
BETH: I know! We can steal a car and fence it!

JACK: Are you crazy? What if we get caught?

BETH: Oh, like you're some bastion of morality. It'll solve all our problems!

JACK: I didn't object to it morally, I asked what if we get caught. Personally, I'd rather go back to the job listings than spend the next thirty years behind bars.

 

[crumbs2000]

Jane and Joe are in a toy store.
JANE: Hey, Joe! You should buy this special edition TurboGuy action figure!

JOE: Dude, it's like, thirty dollars. For a toy. And I'm an adult.

JANE: But in fifty years, it could be worth thirty thousand dollars!

JOE: Dude, take the chance yourself. I've got better things to do with my money.

Bob and Jill are hostages in a bank robbery.
BOB: Psst! Jill! That crook's looking the other way. I'll distract him while you grab his gun!

JILL: Shut up! He might hear you! You're gonna get us killed!

BOB: Come on! If it works, we'll be heroes!

JILL: Quit your theatrics. It'll be over soon. Just do what they say, I don't want to die.

Jack and Beth need money.
BETH: I know! We can steal a car and fence it!

JACK: Are you crazy? What if we get caught?

BETH: Oh, like you're some bastion of morality. It'll solve all our problems!

JACK: I didn't object to it morally, I asked what if we get caught. Personally, I'd rather go back to the job listings than spend the next thirty years behind bars.

That's great post. Very funny but I very good point.

Middlemoor, since the number of real genii are so low in frequency, I wonder???

I also wonder how many people with lives that would be miserable with such debilitating genetic disorders that are untreatable would have been spared living in abject misery crawling around as helpless individuals being shunned and rejected by society and treated like mutants.

 

[Daniels]

Ummmmmm.........

 

[TuxThePenguin]

Counter Argument (not that one is needed)
"Adolf's Story"

 

[WhoeverLovesGod01]

In order for the counter arguement to work, you'd either have to a) have foreknowledge of the future or b) abort all babies.

A) is impossible, b) would kill good people too.

 

[TuxThePenguin]

The site linked has a large number of flaws amongst which it has a heading "Why Christians Oppose it" ; I would have thought the word "some" should have been in there somewhere.

It keeps using the word "Baby" which is incorrect.

"But abortions can sometimes cause health problems for the mother, such as breast cancer"
This has been disproved. It sickens me that people still post this misinformation. I can post links if nessesary.


Middlemoor: The only reason why "Issacs Story" works is because we have "foreknowledge" of what he ended up doing.
Also who is asking that we "abort all babies" ? [sic]

 

[Dennis Moore]

**Glllluuurrrgggeeeee!!!**

I suppose we could conter with a list of people who SHOULD have been aborted: Hitler, Stalin, Dahlmer, Bush, etc. But that would be logically fallicious--just like the OP.

 

[WhoeverLovesGod01]

It keeps using the word "Baby" which is incorrect.

Not exactly. I know there's a difference between a newly developing embryo and a developed fetus, but they're both babies.

Thy're just at different stages of development.

The O.P isn't logically fallacious, see: http://www.christianforums.com/showpost.php?p=25537025&postcount=8

Also, most Christians believe all people were created by God, even the bad ones, (which is all of us.)

We might not be aware of it, but our sins are "piled up as high as heaven."

 

[TuxThePenguin]

Not exactly. I know there's a difference between a newly developed embryo and a developed fetus, but they're both babies.

Thy're just at different stages of development.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baby

Infant is a slightly more formal term for the word baby, the youngest category of child. The term "infant" derives from the Latin word in-fans, meaning "unable to speak." "Infant"

Preceded by:
Fetus

http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=baby

baby, babe, infant (a very young child (birth to 1 year) who has not yet begun to walk or talk) "isn't she too young to have a baby?"

The O.P isn't logically fallacious, see: http://www.christianforums.com/showpost.php?p=25537025&postcount=8

Reposting something doesn't really add anything to the argument.

Also, most Christians believe all people were created by God, even the bad ones, (which is all of us.)

We might not be aware of it, but our sins are "piled up as high as heaven."

I am not a christian. So i'll ignore that bit.

 

[Goatboy]

Not exactly. I know there's a difference between a newly developed embryo and a developed fetus, but they're both babies.

Thy're just at different stages of development.

So at the age of 22 you’re still a baby?

Anyway, been thinking on THIS recently.

Am I the only one who finds just declaring a grain of sand to be a heap isn’t a very good answer to the problem?

 

[WhoeverLovesGod01]

No point argueing over a definition...

ba·by
n. pl. ba·bies

1. 1. A very young child; an infant.
   2. An unborn child; a fetus.
   3. The youngest member of a family or group.
   4. A very young animal.

- http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/baby

Tux, it wasn't a repost, it was a reference.

 

[TuxThePenguin]

I Notice that the link you posted is for a meta-search that came up with 4 definitions from 4 different sources. That the only one with a sub clause specifying a 'fetus' was the American Heritage® Dictionary which broke away from the Websters Dictionary because the creator James Parton did not like its 'permissiveness'.

However you may note that Merriam-Webster's Medical Dictionary has no such clause. Neither do any of the others.
Neither Does the Concise English Dictionary or Readers Digest universal dictionary of which I have checked the Dead-Tree Editions.

The O.P isn't logically fallacious, see: http://www.christianforums.com/showp...25&postcount=8

^---- This was a repost.

 

[JGG]

"Isaac's birth took place in England on a cold Christmas Day. He was sick, born premature, and everyone around him thought he was going to die. His father had died two months earlier, and his mother was having a hard time running the farm and looking after her new baby. And a war was raging around them.


Some people think it would have been easier for Isaac's mother if she had aborted Isaac. But his mother wouldn't consider it. And just as well for the world. Isaac grew up to be a scientific genius.


Isaac was the one who discovered the law of gravitation. He revolutionized mathematics by developing calculus. He improved the telescope. He became famous for his work in physics, mathematics, and astronomy. Isaac was the first person to receive a knighthood for scientific achievement. When he died in 1727 at the age of 84 the government honored him by burying him in London's famous Westminster Abbey.


Yes, it might have been easier for his mother to abort the child who became Sir Isaac Newton, but the world would never have known the greatest scientist who ever lived. How many geniuses has the world lost through abortion? We will never know."

You'll also note that Newton's mother expected him to drop out of school and be a farmer. Aren't we lucky that Isaac decided not to respect his mother's wishes, and went into mathematics and physics instead?

I should add that the number of things that we should be thankful did happen, or didn't happen which contributed to Newton's discoveries are too numerous to count. For instance we should be equally pleased that Newton's grandfather decided to get drunk at the Black Bull Inn on the night that he met Isaac's grandmother. But we're not so concerned about that for some reason.

 

[gwenmead]

Just out of curiosity, how effective were abortion methods in the 1700's?

 

[OdwinOddball]

So, who are these people that thought she should have aborted? Are these supposed to be real people from the time of Newtons Birth? Or are these real people from today looking back and commenting? or are they purely fictional people? Got any documentation for them?


Hind sight is 20/20. As has been mentioned, this is a poor argument. Might as well argue for the abortion of Hitler, etc. And just as soon as someone invetns a time machine you can go do that.

In the mean time, perhaps all you anti-abortion folks would like to actually do something productive. if you are so dead set on people having babies that they often will not be able to take care off, go down to an aboprtion clinic, and instead of yelling and insulting the patrons, adopt their unborn baby and go raise it yourself.

 

[tcampen]

No point argueing over a definition...

ba·by
n. pl. ba·bies

1. 1. A very young child; an infant.
   2. An unborn child; a fetus.
   3. The youngest member of a family or group.
   4. A very young animal.

- http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/baby

Tux, it wasn't a repost, it was a reference.

Just so everyone's on the same page, Webster's definition of "baby" is:

baby
http://javascript<b></b>:popWin('/cgi-bin/audio.pl?baby0001.wav=baby')
Pronunciation: 'bA-bE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural babies
Etymology: Middle English, from babe
1 a (1) : an extremely young child; especially : [SIZE=-1]INFANT[/SIZE] (2) : an extremely young animal b : the youngest of a group
2 a : one that is like a baby (as in behavior) b : something that is one's special responsibility, achievement, or interest
3 slang a : [SIZE=-1]GIRL[/SIZE], [SIZE=-1]WOMAN[/SIZE] -- often used in address b : [SIZE=-1]BOY[/SIZE], [SIZE=-1]MAN[/SIZE] -- often used in address


So, how do we choose which dictionary to use to define our words?

 

[Skaloop]

So, how do we choose which dictionary to use to define our words?

Is there a King James Version of the dictionary? Because I bet that would be the absolute bestest one.

 

[TheGMan]

And here was me thinking this was going to be about postnatal abortion on Mount Moriah.