Is unbelief a sin for the reprobate? How can that be if believing that Christ died for their sins is not in fact true?
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Is unbelief a sin for a reprobate?
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kenrapoza
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Sure - just as murder, theft and drunkenness are sins for the reprobate also. As an analogy, just because someone is born with an addictive personality, doesn't mean that it is no longer sinful for them to become addicted to alcohol through indiscretion. It means we are born with a sinful nature since the fall and sin comes naturally to us.
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heymikey80
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Yes, not relying on Christ is a sin for the reprobate.
There's quite a difference apparently between what's going on in your view and what's going on in Calvinism and indeed, I'll extend it: to any view wherein Christ ascends to Lord of the Universe.
Should you submit to the Lord of your Universe? Certainly you should. In fact, with Job, "Though He slay me, yet will I trust in Him." Or with the Apostles, "Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life."
Defection and rebellion of the reprobate inherently draw their condemnation. Y'can't just say, "Well they were pirates, but they were very good pirates to one another, even though they rebelled against the King." That's not even half an argument in favor of the reprobate. They rebelled against the King! They would not return in trust and loyalty. They're rightly condemned for that refusal. It's rebellion.
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Yes, unbelief is still a sin for the reprobate.
"The gifts and callings of God are without repentance"
The Creator intended, (by way of a creative call,) for Adam and his race to be godly or god-like, as man was made with the divine intention of holding intimate communion with, and even habitation by his Creator/God, and so man had to be like or similar to God, for:
"Be ye holy, for I am holy". Since then "The gifts and callings of God are without repentance", this creative call or divine purpose isn't something that will ever change, since a perfect God must choose something perfect, and cannot do otherwise. He has no reason to change His mind about any perfect choice of His, and that is why the creative call for Adam and his race to be godly, can't ever be changed by God without casting back a doubt or suspicion upon God's former choice.
This is truly one of the incomprehensible horrors of hell: What a terrible and immeasurable pit of terror and punishment must such a realm be, where throughout all of eternity proper, God's original, creative determination for man to be godly isn't something that will ever change. The reprobate damned's utter inability there to be godly, won't change their responsibility to be the same, nor their liability for disobedience for that matter. What makes eternity in heaven so very wonderful and enduring for the righteous, works inversely for the reprobate in hell.
It has been well said,
"God means what He says, and says what He means."
"The gifts and callings of God are without repentance"
The Creator intended, (by way of a creative call,) for Adam and his race to be godly or god-like, as man was made with the divine intention of holding intimate communion with, and even habitation by his Creator/God, and so man had to be like or similar to God, for:
"Be ye holy, for I am holy". Since then "The gifts and callings of God are without repentance", this creative call or divine purpose isn't something that will ever change, since a perfect God must choose something perfect, and cannot do otherwise. He has no reason to change His mind about any perfect choice of His, and that is why the creative call for Adam and his race to be godly, can't ever be changed by God without casting back a doubt or suspicion upon God's former choice.
This is truly one of the incomprehensible horrors of hell: What a terrible and immeasurable pit of terror and punishment must such a realm be, where throughout all of eternity proper, God's original, creative determination for man to be godly isn't something that will ever change. The reprobate damned's utter inability there to be godly, won't change their responsibility to be the same, nor their liability for disobedience for that matter. What makes eternity in heaven so very wonderful and enduring for the righteous, works inversely for the reprobate in hell.
It has been well said,
"God means what He says, and says what He means."
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He died "for the sin of the world".
Sin is that which is contrary to God's nature.
He did not die that we may live, He died that we may die.
He lives that we may live.
Jesus died that we may die, to sin.
Jesus rose that we may live, to Him.
God's application of Christ's death in atonement for "the sin of the world"
does not, in and of itself, extend the life of Christ.
For if one confesses with their mouth that Jesus is Lord (sovereign) and believes in his heart that GOD RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD, he will be saved.
Jesus taking of our death is only half the gospel,
us taking on His life is the other.
Unbelief is the condition of our birth, the result of a nature that is completely contrary to God's nature.
We are born with sin natures, thus the need to accept His death and life.
We do not have a choice about whether or not to accept Christ's death, in our stead.
Our choice is whether or not we accept His life, in our stead.
I, bricklayer, no longer live, for this life I now live I live in Christ Jesus.
It is He who lives in me.
Sin is that which is contrary to God's nature.
He did not die that we may live, He died that we may die.
He lives that we may live.
Jesus died that we may die, to sin.
Jesus rose that we may live, to Him.
God's application of Christ's death in atonement for "the sin of the world"
does not, in and of itself, extend the life of Christ.
For if one confesses with their mouth that Jesus is Lord (sovereign) and believes in his heart that GOD RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD, he will be saved.
Jesus taking of our death is only half the gospel,
us taking on His life is the other.
Unbelief is the condition of our birth, the result of a nature that is completely contrary to God's nature.
We are born with sin natures, thus the need to accept His death and life.
We do not have a choice about whether or not to accept Christ's death, in our stead.
Our choice is whether or not we accept His life, in our stead.
I, bricklayer, no longer live, for this life I now live I live in Christ Jesus.
It is He who lives in me.
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The question has been answered amply already, but I will go ahead and add my 2c: unbelief is always a sin, for everyone.
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In light of the scripture, consider:
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
(Galatians 5:22-23 KJV)
In other words, faith is a product of a person bearing what the Spirit of YHWH gives them. It through this life giving contact with the Spirit that one has true faith. All others, who are not His, do not have this faith.
Blessings.
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
(Galatians 5:22-23 KJV)
In other words, faith is a product of a person bearing what the Spirit of YHWH gives them. It through this life giving contact with the Spirit that one has true faith. All others, who are not His, do not have this faith.
Blessings.
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