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We agree it is a part of worship. Glad we can find common ground
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We agree it is a part of worship. Glad we can find common groundIt maybe part of worship and can mean any per cent , I do say !!
If I remember , Israel had to tithe more than 23 per cent , Lev 27:30-32 and in Num 18:21-24
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I don't think anyone has disputed, or would dispute, that a tithe is about worship. But the question of the OP is "do you need to tithe according to the Scriptures?"2Cor sure sounds like worship
Post #2I don't think anyone has disputed, or would dispute, that a tithe is about worship. But the question of the OP is "do you need to tithe according to the Scriptures?"
In the first place, tithe means 1/10 or 10%. We do not NEED to give 10%; it could be 12%, 5%, 25% or some other figure.
Secondly, according to the Scriptures the tithe was always food, which was taken to the temple, blessed and then eaten. Families benefitted from their own tithe. So if we tithed according to the Scriptures we'd all have allotments, we would take 10% of our crops to the Temple in Jerusalem - or to church, to make things easier - and EAT it.
That is tithing according to the Scriptures.
Hence my first answer, which was, "no".
That doesn't say that we NEED to tithe. And the instruction about tithing in Leviticus/Deuteronomy was always about food.Post #2
Post number one ask about tithing do we need to tithe.That doesn't say that we NEED to tithe. And the instruction about tithing in Leviticus/Deuteronomy was always about food.
It seems that some church leaders read about tithing, translate it as "you must give 10% of your income to the church" and put pressure on people, or give them a hard time, if they don't.
But what do you think Gen 14 (as you quoted) sets a precedent of? Of tithing as a continual practice of life? All it says in G14 is that he gave A Tithe at this one point in time. There's no record he searched out Melchizedek every time he made income and gave him 10%.When something is done for the very first time - it sets precedent.
But does that say tithing was done as a practice?? Or does it rather say he gave 10% of the spoils of the war to this High Priest at this one time.Notice two things here. Blessed be Abram (his pre covenant name). Because of this - the tithe predates the Covenant, before the Law.
If you're saying there's an example of someone giving another 10% of something in that era true. One can't go to say that now should become a law over our conscience that we need assume certain conclusions that were never made in those scriptures.Tithing is not Old Testament - it is pre covenant.
I said it multiple times - Tithing is an act of worship - Abram was grateful to God for delivering his enemy into his hands and in thankfulness and worship he gave a tithe of all his increase -But what do you think Gen 14 (as you quoted) sets a precedent of?
Is there any proof that Abram ever worshipped God in the same way? It is a poor exegetical argument you seem to be following.Of tithing as a continual practice of life? All it says in G14 is that he gave A Tithe at this one point in time. There's no record he searched out Melchizedek every time he made income and gave him 10%.
Do you practice worship more than just on the Sunday's you go to church?But does that say tithing was done as a practice??
Or does it rather say he gave 10% of the spoils of the war to this High Priest at this one time.
If you don't want to tithe - don't tithe -If you're saying there's an example of someone giving another 10% of something in that era true. One can't go to say that now should become a law over our conscience that we need assume certain conclusions that were never made in those scriptures.
I'm sorry if it came across as arguing. My comments were two-fold:what are you arguing about?
So is giving; it doesn't have to be 10%.I said it multiple times - Tithing is an act of worship -
Absolutely.Abram was grateful to God for delivering his enemy into his hands and in thankfulness and worship he gave a tithe of all his increase -
Absolutely.Do you practice worship more than just on the Sunday's you go to church?
That's what I was saying in answer to the OP. Do we NEED to tithe? No.If you don't want to tithe - don't tithe -
Agreed.I wish followers of Christ would not judge on mere money -
I wish followers of Christ would not judge on mere money - the ones who tithe should not judge the ones who do not - likewise the ones who choose not to tithe should not judge the ones that do.
I have heard of churches that are very dogmatic about tithing - there was one near us - and say that it is Scriptural. I have never met anyone who tithes as described in the OT. They translate crops into cash and teach that it needs to go to the church.
In the OT people took their tithe to the temple and then ATE it - joyfully and with thanksgiving. How many people are given their tithes back and told "go and buy lunch for your family, a bit extra for the priests and the poor and then we'll all sit and eat together - in fellowship"? That's what happened in the OT - doesn't happen now.
That's awful.In the Word of Faith church that I sometimes watch their online services, they claim tithe is not important, but
Sounds contradictory.
- If you want to serve in the "platform ministry", like choir, band performer etc, you have to have a tithing record.
- When you pray for healing and are not healed, they will check your tithing record, and if you are not regularly tithing, they will use the parable of the unjust steward, and say, if you have not trusted God in your earthly wealth, why should you be trusted with true riches, aka healing.
Link - I don't believe you.In the Word of Faith church that I sometimes watch their online services, they claim tithe is not important, but
Sounds contradictory.
- If you want to serve in the "platform ministry", like choir, band performer etc, you have to have a tithing record.
- When you pray for healing and are not healed, they will check your tithing record, and if you are not regularly tithing, they will use the parable of the unjust steward, and say, if you have not trusted God in your earthly wealth, why should you be trusted with true riches, aka healing.
Link - I don't believe you.
You claim to watch them on line, but cannot provide a name or link. Interesting.Well I am not here to prove anything, but that parable did have this passage that could be potentially misused, which is Luke 16:10-11
10 He that is faithful in that which is least is faithful also in much: and he that is unjust in the least is unjust also in much.
11If therefore ye have not been faithful in the unrighteous mammon, who will commit to your trust the true riches?
Its a clever way for the Word of Faith pastor to say that, while you cannot buy healing with money, not being faithful in using your money to bless the church shows your lack of faith in trusting God for your healing, that explains your lack of healing.
You claim to watch them on line, but cannot provide a name or link. Interesting.
I am a word of faith minister and have been for close to 40 years. I have never heard what you quoted taught or said.Like I said, I am not trying to prove anything to you.
If you don't want to believe it, I am fine, just sharing my experience with a WOF church.
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