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Immigration law has been a part of this country for a very long time. Its supported by the constitution. Enforcing a constitutionally established law is not rhe same thing as "just following orders." Geez do you say the same thing to the IRS when they seize people's property for not paying their taxes.“Just following orders” was repudiated in 1946-47; has there been a rescinding of this “principle“?
I dont disagree. But are you saying rhat because they havent done that on a regular basis we should not enforce other immigration law?My main issue with immigration theater is that if they really cared about enforcing the borders they'd be enforcing the penalties on employers rather than rounding up laborers. Disincentivize hiring people here illegally at the expense of the citizenry and the bulk of the issue goes away on its own, no deportations necessary. But they'd rather put on a show and spread terror than actually engage in effective policy action.
No, I'm simply saying that the way they're going about it makes it seem like they're more interested in making a show of it rather than actually addressing the issue.I dont disagree. But are you saying rhat because they havent done that on a regular basis we should not enforce other immigration law?
So let's just go for the low hanging fruit, despite the fact that so long as the employers continue to have incentives to employing people here illegally there will continue to be people willing to risk it and the influx will continue.Do you have any idea what it takes to prosecute an employer for that? How hard that is to prove? I'm not saying they shouldn't they should. But because one is far more difficult to enforce doeant mean we shouldnt enforce another part. Correct?
(staff edit)It would be more accurate to ask, what has Mayor Bass NOT lied about.
Completely understand. It only seems like a show because media and left and other citizens and illegals have made it a show. If they would have just let them do their job, make their raids and pick up illegals there would just be action.No, I'm simply saying that the way they're going about it makes it seem like they're more interested in making a show of it rather than actually addressing the issue.
So let's just go for the low hanging fruit, despite the fact that so long as the employers continue to have incentives to employing people here illegally there will continue to be people willing to risk it and the influx will continue.
Um, Obama did carry out ICE raids in people's homes and businesses. Obama is the one who built the cages to house kids, separated families, and all that stuff the left says Trump is racist for, while pretending he started all of that and is so, so cruel for doing it. This has been going on for a long time. Do you remember Elian Gonzalez under Clinton, who sent men with guns to snatch a 6-year-old? It's just selective outrage and short memories for Democrats who only pretend it's racist when it's a Republican in office.Why? Why do you wish to see our country turned into a police state?
Obama somehow managed to do just that at greater numbers and never had to turn any US city into Falujah to get it done.
I don’t believe you. If you support terrorizing American citizens with their own military like this, I highly doubt you’re gonna be so welcoming to foreigners.
Cool. Throw Obama in jail for the rest if his life for all I care.Um, Obama did carry out ICE raids in people's homes and businesses. Obama is the one who built the cages to house kids, separated families, and all that stuff the left says Trump is racist for, while pretending he started all of that and is so, so cruel for doing it. This has been going on for a long time. Do you remember Elian Gonzalez under Clinton, who sent men with guns to snatch a 6-year-old? It's just selective outrage and short memories for Democrats who only pretend it's racist when it's a Republican in office.
Do you live in one of these cities?Btw, I'd rather have cities that have a bit of law and order, where criminals are being rounded up and carried out, than anything these Democrat sanctuary cities are doing, where crime is rampant and goes unpunished. Only in liberal cities can you riot, smash windows, burn cars, take over entire city blocks, get arrested by evil law enforcement agents, then turn around and get bailed out by Democrat officials (Like Kamala Harris) so you can go back out and do it again.
Read the rest of the quotes in the article which refutes what she said.I read the article twice and can't find where she lied.
Militarized federal agents, with the assistance of the military, conducting raids on city streets and public parks is "outrageous" and "un-American" as Mayor Bass stated.
The article goes on to say:
Bass claimed on social media that there were children playing at the park. -- True
"Minutes before, there were more than 20 kids playing, and then, the MILITARY comes through." -- True
"I went to the park to speak to the person in charge to tell them it needed to end NOW." -- True
Um, Obama did carry out ICE raids in people's homes and businesses. Obama is the one who built the cages to house kids, separated families, and all that stuff the left says Trump is racist for, while pretending he started all of that and is so, so cruel for doing it. This has been going on for a long time. Do you remember Elian Gonzalez under Clinton, who sent men with guns to snatch a 6-year-old? It's just selective outrage and short memories for Democrats who only pretend it's racist when it's a Republican in office.
These 2 posts are amongst the very best and top 5 posts in this thread, in my opinion. Thank you @SaucyBtw, I'd rather have cities that have a bit of law and order, where criminals are being rounded up and carried out, than anything these Democrat sanctuary cities are doing, where crime is rampant and goes unpunished. Only in liberal cities can you riot, smash windows, burn cars, take over entire city blocks, get arrested by evil law enforcement agents, then turn around and get bailed out by Democrat officials (Like Kamala Harris) so you can go back out and do it again.
This appears to be selective outrage. The Democratic Party supporters were probably just fine with President Obama putting illegal immigrants in cages and separating families.Cool. Throw Obama in jail for the rest if his life for all I care.
We’re dealing with an entirely new president now, if you’d like to join us.
No there were plenty of protests against Obama’s immigration policies as well. You just didn’t care back then because the narrative on the right was that Obama wasn’t enforcing immigration laws.This appears to be selective outrage. The Democratic Party supporters were probably just fine with President Obama putting illegal immigrants in cages and separating families.
Obama didn't have to try to clean up the illegal actions of the Biden administration which allowed millions upon millions of illegal immigrants to flood into the United States of America.No there were plenty of protests against Obama’s immigration policies as well. You just didn’t care back then because the narrative on the right was that Obama wasn’t enforcing immigration laws.
Turns out he was even better at it than Trump!
No, it seems like a show because they're making a show of it. It's immigration theater, highly visible actions with little actual impact.Completely understand. It only seems like a show because media and left and other citizens and illegals have made it a show. If they would have just let them do their job, make their raids and pick up illegals there would just be action.
The obstruction is an issue, but it's not the full story. The actions they've taken are not going to have a major impact, but instead are manufactured to produce the kind of outrage they're producing even though they really don't make a dent in the problem.But because we have leftist politicians, media, and Americans siding with illegals and their actions to obstruct and attack this has been a necessary response.
"Pledged"....I'll believe it when I see it.The DOJ has pledged to go after employers too. But with what it takes to prove the issues it makes it a long arduous process to try and prove it.
I think it's a mismanagement of resources, because the heart of the problem goes largely unaddressed in exchange for flashy, but ultimately futile, enforcement operations. Stemming the flow requires addressing the incentives, not rounding up a few dozen unfortunates.Do you think we should not go after illegals?
This appears to be selective outrage. The Democratic Party supporters were probably just fine with President Obama putting illegal immigrants in cages and separating families.
Obama didn't have to try to clean up the illegal actions of the Biden administration which allowed millions upon millions of illegal immigrants to flood into the United States of America.
Uh huh. And Trump never campaigned on the issue of immigration not being addressed by the Obama administration.Obama didn't have to try to clean up the illegal actions of the Biden administration which allowed millions upon millions of illegal immigrants to flood into the United States of America.
It seems like a show because of the media and leftist politicians, and leftist citizens and illegals attacking and obstructing. They created the necessity of these actions by their actions.No, it seems like a show because they're making a show of it. It's immigration theater, highly visible actions with little actual impact.
Actions have been taken to protect and prevent the attacks and obstructions. The left is doing all they can to manufacture outrage. And I noticed you only used "obstruction" as a problem. When the problems are even bigger. Like assault, and threats to officers families.The obstruction is an issue, but it's not the full story. The actions they've taken are not going to have a major impact, but instead are manufactured to produce the kind of outrage they're producing even though they really don't make a dent in the problem.
Me too."Pledged"....I'll believe it when I see it.
Yes the heart if the problem is past administrations failures to stem the tide of illegals and inviting them in.I think it's a mismanagement of resources, because the heart of the problem goes largely unaddressed in exchange for flashy, but ultimately futile, enforcement operations. Stemming the flow requires addressing the incentives, not rounding up a few dozen unfortunates.
The thing is you guys didn't care when Obama did it. Because it was Obama.They most certainly weren't. It was one of the things that dogged the Obama administration throughout its tenure.
See this post for some details: Karoline Leavitt accuses CNN of 'encouraging violence' against agents for reports on new ICE tracking app
Weird political mudslinging aside, the Obama administration did have to deal with "millions upon millions" of undocumented migrants. The George W Bush administration averaged just under 1.2 million border encounters per year, with a known "gotaway" rate of above 30%. It also had to deal with the 2013/2014 'Border crisis' which saw the Obama administration conduct record numbers of migrant expulsions.
The Obama administration dealt with a very similar situation to that faced by the Trump administration currently - it came into power as border crossings were rapidly dropping after a spike during the previous administration.
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