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Is this the beginning of the Shaking?

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I was just thinking: is this the beginning of the Shaking? Anyone who has taken the time to peer into the internal issues of Adventism will see that there is a big controversy between two polar opposites. Ever since 1888 and onward, we've been engaged in an inner conflict, even if many do not see it.

Now, I'm sure that the Shaking is much more intense, but are we possibly at the Alpha, the morning, the steps leading up to the climax of the Shaking? During the height of the Shaking, the body of Adventism will convulse and be engulfed in a major crisis (which seems to be in the future for the Church). It is only after the Shaking that the Sifting will begin (when the tares are removed from the wheats).

What do you think?
 

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It is only after the Shaking that the Sifting will begin (when the tares are removed from the wheats).

What do you think?

I have to respond to the part about the parable of the wheat and the tares because this is a major problem that I have with Ellen White. I know that what I post will prompt some to conclude that the "Shaking" has begun and that I am evidence of the falling away, but just listen to what the Bible says.

Here is the parable of the wheat and the tares:

Now read Jesus' explanation of it a few verses later:


Notice the part that I put in bold. Jesus interpreted His own parable, and He said that the field is the world. Ellen White (in Christ's Object Lessons) contradicted this when she wrote that the field is the church. For this reason, Adventists apply this to our own church, but that's not what the Bible says. The Bible itself clearly states that the separating of the wheat and the tares is the harvesting by angels at the end of the world, not the sifting of "true" Adventists from "false" Adventists during a "Shaking" of our church.

There are true believers in every church and even among those who don't attened any church at all. We can't assume that everyone who doesn't agree with us is lost. We can't judge anyone's salvation. Adventists seriously distort Jesus' purpose in telling this parable when they apply it only to the church. Jesus applied it to the whole world.
 
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what's "the Shaking"?

"The Shaking" is something that Ellen White saw in a vision. Here is what she wrote about it:

 
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Jesus is coming for His true believers. Those who're sitting on the fence will have to make a desicion whom they are really for just prior to the final climax. That's the shaking.

There are many nominal christians in the SDA churches. And I know they will fall away and accept the Sunday when the pressure mounts because they live their lives now for pleasure and convenience and do not stand for the truth.

How does it in any way contradict the Bible?

Ellen White never said those out side of SDA church are lost. In fact, in many places, she wrote God has children in protestant churches, and many more in Catholic church who worship God sincerely based on the light was revealed to them unlike many Adventists who do not follow the light.

I cannot see the logic of your post.
 
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The contradiction is that the Bible says that the field is the world, and EGW says that it's the church. The two are clearly not in agreement.

The parable of the wheat and the tares was related to the "Shaking" by the OP, but the parable says nothing about people leaving the church during such a time. It simply says that true believers and false believers will live together in the world until the harvest.
 
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I don't think that Mrs. White directly paralleled the Shaking and Sifting to Jesus' parable. The terms wheat and tares are used, of course, but does she relate the visions as fulfillments of that parable?

If so (but I don't think she did): http://www.ellen-white.com/EllenWhiteMistakes.html

Even the inspired are fallible. Their visions can't be false, but some of their thoughts can.
 
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Read the writings your quoted above. It says the shaking is just prior to the second coming.

We both know the current condition of the church. Do you think it's possible that after the sunday law is put into legislation, the majority of the SDAs will fall away and accept sunday?

There is no contradition here that I can see.
 
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I don't see any contradiction with the concept of the shaking itself. Jesus spoke of the love of many growing cold due to wickedness, and the Scriptures also speak of even the elect, if possible, being in danger of being deceived.
 
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I've always been taught that the 'shaking' refers to the close of probation - when Jesus finishes judgement in heaven, and is finally ready to mount the throne and return. Isn't this when there will only be two camps on earth; the wicked/and the righteous - whether SDA or not? This idea has been related to the verse in Revelation "Let the one who does wrong, still do wrong.....let the one who is righteous, still practice righteousness..." Revelation 22:11

At this point, there won't be any 'adventists' or 'baptists' or 'catholics' - only the remnant of God. That is what I understand to be the shaking.
 
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That's an interesting interpretation. That makes me think, though, about how great the last days will be... when a Christian will be a Christian and we won't have to use denominational names. That will be true ecumenism, not the false unity people push for today.
 
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I don't see any contradiction with the concept of the shaking itself. Jesus spoke of the love of many growing cold due to wickedness, and the Scriptures also speak of even the elect, if possible, being in danger of being deceived.

Yes, I don't have a problem with the idea that some of those who claim to be Christians at some point will fall away.

The contradiction that I was referring to was the application of the parable of the wheat and the tares. The application that EGW made changes the meaning completely.
 
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No, I wasn't saying that she made a direct parallel. I was responding to your comments in the OP that related the two. By the way, thanks for the link.

On the subject of whether EGW could be mistaken about some things and still be a prophet, I don't think she left much room for questions about whether everything she wrote was inspired or whether she sometimes gave her own opinions, which could be wrong. I would refer back to the thread Ellen White and Inspiration, which included a discussion on that, so as not to hijack this thread.
 
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Sophia, you made a good obeservation in that Sister White confined the shaking to the church, and Jesus' parable of the wheat and the tares referred to the world. But parables often have more than one application.

Even in Jesus' time, there were those who fell away. In John, Chapter 6 when Jesus was talking about "eat my flesh and drink my blood," a lot of the disciples threw in the towel. So I don't think that the parable of the wheat and the tares precludes an pre-advent shaking, rather it tells us not to kick people out of the church, (or shun them) because they don't seem to be as orthodox or faithful as we are.
 
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