Is this a Salvation verse?

d taylor said:

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If you do not see Ananias and Sapphira as believers, really there is nothing further to discuss. Tell, how can an unbeliever lie to the Holy Spirit.

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Saved or Lost?–Ananias and Sapphira – Grace Evangelical Society

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JesusFollowerForever said:

They were not believers, a believer in Christ lives by the word of Christ , in essence Love. Read below the account of Ananias and Sapphira and see.

Act 5:1 But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession,

Act 5:2 And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet.

Act 5:3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?

Act 5:4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

Act 5:5 And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.

Act 5:6 And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him.

Act 5:7 And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in.

Act 5:8 And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said, Yea, for so much.

Act 5:9 Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out.

Act 5:10 Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband.

Act 5:11 And great fear came upon all the church, and upon as many as heard these things.

The disciples of Christ were given the right to loose or bind;

Mat 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

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d taylor said:

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Really what does Matthew 16 have to do with the context of Ananias and Sapphira. Most people who believe in a works salvation, post verses out of context, because that is the only way they can support their beliefs.

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JesusFollowerForever said:

Another one who does know scripture, what did Peter do? he loosed them from heaven , they will never make it to heaven, they are lost forever!

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BibleBeliever1611 said:

Okay but does the Bible say that you have to love Jesus to be saved? What if some people are saved but they don't love him?

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Sabertooth said:

That animal does not exist...

Jesus said,
“Therefore whoever confesses Me before men, him I will also confess before My Father who is in heaven.
But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My Father who is in heaven..." Matthew 10:32-33 NKJV

and,
“‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’
This is the first and great commandment.
And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’
On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.” Matthew 22:37-40 NKJV

Housin', Mike E & The G-Rap Crew (1991)
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BibleBeliever1611 said:

If something is a commandment, it means that not everybody is doing it. If loving God is a commndment then not every saint is loving God although they should. If all Christians just loved God automatically then there would be no point of commanding to do that.

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BibleBeliever1611 said:

Salvation is LITERALLY a single moment of belief. That's what it is, nothing more, nothing less. You have everything wrong. If you think going to heaven requires a path of obedience then you're just building your personal tower of Babel. Man can not work his way to heaven, it has to be by God's grace.

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JesusFollowerForever said:

Jesus said something different, since you do not follow him you could not possibly know. Below is what Jesus explained to us;

In the Gospels, Jesus consistently teaches that eternal life is not merely the result of believing in Him, but also requires a deeper commitment to following His example and obeying His commands. While belief is central to salvation, Jesus emphasizes that it must be accompanied by genuine action, love, and self-sacrifice.

One of the most famous verses in the Gospel of John is John 3:16, where Jesus explains that "God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life." At first glance, this verse seems to suggest that belief alone is sufficient. However, when we look at the broader context of Jesus' teachings, it becomes clear that He is not only asking for intellectual belief but for a belief that leads to a transformed life—a belief that manifests in action, obedience, and love.

In John 14:15, Jesus gives a further clarification, saying, "If you love Me, keep My commandments." Here, belief in Jesus is tied directly to the act of following His teachings. True belief is not just acknowledging who Jesus is, but also choosing to live according to His will. For Jesus, love is not simply an emotional feeling, but a choice to live in a way that reflects His commandments. This idea is echoed throughout the Gospels, where Jesus calls His followers to live out their faith, not just profess it.

In Matthew 19:16-21, a man approaches Jesus, asking what he must do to inherit eternal life. Jesus initially directs him to keep the commandments, but then challenges him further. He tells the man to sell all his possessions and follow Him. This statement reveals that belief alone is not enough; following Jesus requires a radical commitment, one that involves self-sacrifice and a willingness to give up what may be most dear in order to follow His path. It is not just about agreeing with His teachings but about letting those teachings transform every aspect of one's life.

Similarly, in Mark 10:29-30, Jesus speaks about the sacrifices His followers will face for His sake. He promises, "there is no one who has left house or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or lands, for My sake and the gospel’s, who shall not receive a hundredfold now in this time... and in the age to come, eternal life." Jesus here emphasizes that following Him means prioritizing Him above all else, even relationships and possessions. The result of believing and doing as Jesus asks us to do is eternal life. But the crucial point is that the pursuit of eternal life involves sacrifice—a willingness to follow Jesus, even when it is difficult.

In the parable of the Good Samaritan in Luke 10:25-28, Jesus teaches that eternal life is closely connected to how one loves others. When asked by a lawyer what he must do to inherit eternal life, Jesus points to the commandment to love God with all one’s heart and to love one’s neighbour as oneself. Jesus shows that this love is not passive but is demonstrated in concrete actions. The story of the Good Samaritan exemplifies the kind of love that leads to eternal life—love that transcends social boundaries and is willing to take risks for the sake of others. It is a love that goes beyond words and requires active, sacrificial service to others.

In John 6:47-51, Jesus describes Himself as the "bread of life," further explaining that those who believe in Him will have eternal life. However, He also stresses that this belief is tied to partaking in His body and blood, symbolizing full participation in His life and mission. It’s not enough to simply acknowledge Jesus as the Messiah; one must partake in His life, embracing His teachings and actions as their own. Jesus’ statement here points to the necessity of living out the faith, not just professing it.

What becomes clear through these passages is that belief, in the context of Jesus' teachings, is not a passive acknowledgement but an active, ongoing commitment. It involves more than just intellectual assent, it is a call to action, to live according to His will, to love others sacrificially, and to prioritize Him above all else. Eternal life is not a mere future promise for those who believe but is experienced now, in the transformation of the heart and the way one lives. It is a life of obedience, sacrifice, and love that follows the example set by Jesus Himself.

Thus, Jesus makes it clear that belief alone is insufficient for eternal life. It must be a belief that leads to action, to living a life that reflects His teachings and embodies His love. Eternal life is for those who not only believe in Him but also follow Him in word and deed. The path to eternal life is one of commitment, sacrifice, and love, shaped by a deep, personal relationship with Jesus that transforms the way one lives.

Peace.

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BibleBeliever1611 said:

Okay but does the Bible say that you have to love Jesus to be saved? What if some people are saved but they don't love him?

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BibleBeliever1611 said:

Okay but does the Bible say that you have to love Jesus to be saved? What if some people are saved but they don't love him?


So have you sold everything that you own?

No, that does not say that eternal life is a "reward." The word reward doesn't even appear in that passage, you just inserted it there when it wasn't there. The passage is saying that if you do great works you will still have eternal life, although not as a reward. You can even do backflips and still get an eternal life in heaven. But does doing backflips give you an eternal life? You see what I'm saying?

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BNR32FAN said:

Why is it that believing in order to receive initial salvation isn’t a work but for some reason continuing to believe in order to maintain salvation somehow becomes a work? Can you explain that to me please?

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dms1972 said:

Proverbs 3:5

Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding.

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