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What scriptural references do you base this on?beatarmy2 said:There is no such thing as a Christian homosexual.
Agreed, I would like to see the logic behind this as well.razzelflabben said:What scriptural references do you base this on?
Outspoken said:Agreed, I would like to see the logic behind this as well.
razzelflabben said:What scriptural references do you base this on?
No you did not, you mentioned ekklasia. I am not using a translation, I am using the orginal Greek text. "Church" does not appear in the Greek text that has been designated most accurate by the UBS.Outspoken said:"Yes it is, Outspoken. "
Nooo, I showed you clearly that the word is in the passage, thus the church grew daily. "
There is no ekklesia in the Greek text."The word "church" is not in the text."
incorrect ekklesia is found in the text and thus the conclusion that this is the church before Paul's conversion is a correct conclusion.
There is no mention of the word "church" or the Greek word ecclasia in the Greek text. So, it would be completely improper to translate it as being there when it is not.Outspoken said:"I am not using a translation, I am using the orginal Greek text."
then you should know that in this context the approprate translation is church.
Not incorrect. No ekklasia. No ecclesia either. Not in the critical text, which is the text that NT scholarship stands behind as most authentic."There is no ekklesia in the Greek text."
Incorrect. the sentence reads aineo theos kai echo charis pros holos laos de kurios prostithemi ekklesia kata hemera sozo
And you have not supported your original assertion yet.Outspoken said:You also have not answered my question. what is the definition of church?
Sure I have, now please answer the quesiton as to this can lead to even more proof you are incorrect, or are you unwilling to test your wrong idea from another point of view? We can use my defintion if you want.Fideist said:And you have not supported your original assertion yet.
Outspoken said:[quote]Sure I have,
you have not demostrated the word "conversion" is in the text either.Fideist said:[/font][/size][/font][/color]
You have not shown in any way other than by assertion that Acts is historically reliable on this point or any other. Why are you so anxious to change the subject? Dont you have any supporting evidence?
You have also not demonstrated that the term church is in the Greek text of Acts.
Outspoken said:The book of Acts clearly supports me and the church, historically and now, says that's how it happened
No, its a historical text.Fideist said:[/size][/font]
So, thats it? Thats your support? The book of Acts, which is part of the Bible and clearly not a history text, says thats how it happened in the narrative. The Bible is correct because a narrative in the Bible says so. That is circular, as I have already pointed out. And the Bible is not a history text as I have already pointed out. So, all we do is go around and around. Obviously this is the best I can hope for, so, end of conversation. See ya around.
Well, we see in scripture that not everyone who says Lord Lord will enter the kingdom, good theology so far. We also see that God will seperate the sheep from the goats, same basic idea.Chapter 2 said:The point here is that not all who say "I'm a Christian" really are. It really comes down to what kind of faith you have. Is it a self-denying, non-selfish, pure faith that Christ requires, or is it something less? Can a homosexual be Christian? No. Can a Christian engage in homosexual activities? Yes. We all have sin problems, but the level of our faith determines how we deal with it. If you are truely a Christian who has a problem with homosexual behavior, then it should be the desire of your heart to stop sinning and follow Christ. That is what defines a Christian. "Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted" Mourn over what? Sin. The idea is that it is NOT ok to brush it off and say "well, everybody has a sin problem". That won't be good enough when we all stand before a holy God.
I keep hearing this statement unrepentant sinner. I have one definition for it what is yours? Where in scripture does it say that a person with an unrepentant sin is not a believer?Chapter 2 said:No where in the Bible will you find the exact phrase "there is no such thing as a Christian homosexual", but it is very clear where God stands on the subject even without the Bible. Look at the male body. Look at the female body. They were DESIGNED for eachother. That's how God made it and that's how He intended it to stay, and anything outside of God's will is sin. An unrepentant sinner is not Christian, so there are no homosexual Christians.
Chapter 2 said:No where in the Bible will you find the exact phrase "there is no such thing as a Christian homosexual", but it is very clear where God stands on the subject even without the Bible. Look at the male body. Look at the female body. They were DESIGNED for eachother. That's how God made it and that's how He intended it to stay, and anything outside of God's will is sin. An unrepentant sinner is not Christian, so there are no homosexual Christians.
Thanks.coyoteBR said:But, on the other hand... "Do not worry with what enters your mouth, but with what leaves it".
Just to say, PastorFreud, I enjoy reading your pondered posts and opinions, specially on this thread
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