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Is there Objective Morality?
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<blockquote data-quote="stevevw" data-source="post: 76732144" data-attributes="member: 342064"><p>I never said these ideas are presented as facts but rather that these impossible to verify counterintuitive ideas are presented in the first place as possible explanations.</p><p> What do you mean by real world evidence.</p><p></p><p> No the experience of red is not a subjective one. Its a fact because we experience colors as being a real part of the physical world which influences reality. Moral subjectivity is different as it requires free will and a subjective choice which has no physical basis.</p><p></p><p>So if anything the phenomena of colors is an example of questioning whether physical reality has any basis in the objective world or whether it is determined by conscious experience.</p><p></p><p> It doesn't matter what color we are talking about. Its not the subjective view of colors but the conscious experience of colors in the first place I am talking about.</p><p></p><p>By the way there is no such thing as magenta color. It is something the mind makes up. The same as yellow and a number of other colors. Yet we experience these colors as real in nature.</p><p></p><p> Actually quite the opposite. Subjective experience is an objective fact. Its a fact we experience colors and colors are part of the physical world.</p><p></p><p> Actually many scientists think reality doesn't exist and we observers is what makes reality according to a number of interpretations of quantum physics.</p><p></p><p> Actually I think you are not following what Ken and I were talking about. Ken said</p><p><span style="color: #00b3b3"><em>" Do you know the biggest difference between the truth and a lie? From my experience, the truth never asks to be believed; that’s what lies do."</em></span></p><p></p><p>So you are actually agreeing with me if that's the case that liars don't protest and demand we look at the evidence.</p><p></p><p>But Ken said liars do protest the most and that those claiming the truth don't protest from his experience I was disagreeing and saying its the other way around. That those telling the truth will protest the most even for years and liars will initially protest but cannot maintain the pretense as they know its false.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="stevevw, post: 76732144, member: 342064"] I never said these ideas are presented as facts but rather that these impossible to verify counterintuitive ideas are presented in the first place as possible explanations. What do you mean by real world evidence. No the experience of red is not a subjective one. Its a fact because we experience colors as being a real part of the physical world which influences reality. Moral subjectivity is different as it requires free will and a subjective choice which has no physical basis. So if anything the phenomena of colors is an example of questioning whether physical reality has any basis in the objective world or whether it is determined by conscious experience. It doesn't matter what color we are talking about. Its not the subjective view of colors but the conscious experience of colors in the first place I am talking about. By the way there is no such thing as magenta color. It is something the mind makes up. The same as yellow and a number of other colors. Yet we experience these colors as real in nature. Actually quite the opposite. Subjective experience is an objective fact. Its a fact we experience colors and colors are part of the physical world. Actually many scientists think reality doesn't exist and we observers is what makes reality according to a number of interpretations of quantum physics. Actually I think you are not following what Ken and I were talking about. Ken said [COLOR=#00b3b3][I]" Do you know the biggest difference between the truth and a lie? From my experience, the truth never asks to be believed; that’s what lies do."[/I][/COLOR] So you are actually agreeing with me if that's the case that liars don't protest and demand we look at the evidence. But Ken said liars do protest the most and that those claiming the truth don't protest from his experience I was disagreeing and saying its the other way around. That those telling the truth will protest the most even for years and liars will initially protest but cannot maintain the pretense as they know its false. [/QUOTE]
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