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Is there Objective Morality?
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<blockquote data-quote="stevevw" data-source="post: 76315963" data-attributes="member: 342064"><p>So why even make the claim that I am not declaring my God as the source of objective morality if its irrelevant to proving objective morality. Your making a straw man. So are you saying I must declare irrelevant things in the debate of proving objective morals. Why is it important that I declare that my God is the source of objective morality.</p><p></p><p>But just because I say that my belief in my God is irrelevant to proving objective morals doesnt mean I am lying. Your assuming this issue is important to this thread , but yet admitted its not and now you want to make some straw man arguement that I am not being honest.</p><p></p><p> But your making a straw man. I havnt been dishonest about my belief in my God being the transcendent source of objective morals because it hasnt needed to be an issue or even come up until you are making it an issue. Its an irrelevant issue.</p><p></p><p> Thats exactly right, it doesnt matter. Your making it matter when it doesnt. OK lets say I was dishonest. For you to understand that I am being dishonest you are implicitly making "Honesty" an objective moral standard. Otherwise you couldn't even ask me any questions about my honesty and you couldnt tell I was being dishonest because under subjective morality its not wrong to be dishonest. </p><p></p><p>All we would have is different counter statements with no ability to determine whether they are 'Honest".See how its an impossible moral system to apply. No one is really bound to be honest or find the truth. But as humans we need to do that to even interact with each other. </p><p></p><p> I never said that debates have to be cordial or coherent. Not sure about being cordial has got to do with morality. But all I am saying is that we need the moral values of "Honesty and Truth" being help up as independent moral values for our personal views. I you or I subjectively say these morals are unnecessary then there is no obligation for us to abide by them in ruling and guding our debate.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="stevevw, post: 76315963, member: 342064"] So why even make the claim that I am not declaring my God as the source of objective morality if its irrelevant to proving objective morality. Your making a straw man. So are you saying I must declare irrelevant things in the debate of proving objective morals. Why is it important that I declare that my God is the source of objective morality. But just because I say that my belief in my God is irrelevant to proving objective morals doesnt mean I am lying. Your assuming this issue is important to this thread , but yet admitted its not and now you want to make some straw man arguement that I am not being honest. But your making a straw man. I havnt been dishonest about my belief in my God being the transcendent source of objective morals because it hasnt needed to be an issue or even come up until you are making it an issue. Its an irrelevant issue. Thats exactly right, it doesnt matter. Your making it matter when it doesnt. OK lets say I was dishonest. For you to understand that I am being dishonest you are implicitly making "Honesty" an objective moral standard. Otherwise you couldn't even ask me any questions about my honesty and you couldnt tell I was being dishonest because under subjective morality its not wrong to be dishonest. All we would have is different counter statements with no ability to determine whether they are 'Honest".See how its an impossible moral system to apply. No one is really bound to be honest or find the truth. But as humans we need to do that to even interact with each other. I never said that debates have to be cordial or coherent. Not sure about being cordial has got to do with morality. But all I am saying is that we need the moral values of "Honesty and Truth" being help up as independent moral values for our personal views. I you or I subjectively say these morals are unnecessary then there is no obligation for us to abide by them in ruling and guding our debate. [/QUOTE]
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