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Is there Objective Morality?
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<blockquote data-quote="com7fy8" data-source="post: 76210353" data-attributes="member: 331347"><p>Yes, I think there is morality of the sort which even evil people can understand, and we can find a lot of such moral principles written in God's word.</p><p></p><p>But God Himself has standards which He goes by. For example, He has His overall purpose of having many children who are conformed to the image of Jesus; and so He works all things in accordance to this purpose and standard which guides Him Himself. And in prayer we seek to be guided according to all which guides God, Himself, though we might not understand all He is going by > we submit to God in His peace ></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Georgia'"><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #ff00ff">"And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you were called in one body; and be thankful."</span></span></span> (Colossians 3:15)</p><p></p><p>In this peace we are guided according to more and better than what unbelievers can understand . . . and what can be better ways than we ourselves can understand.</p><p></p><p>There is being guided as family, versus only as individuals. A lot of human level morality which humans can understand is only about each individual and one's own rights. I don't remember anything about living in a family way, in the American Constitution, by the way. Rights and obligations seem to be only or mainly about each one for one's own self. But God's word is very into relational morals > including ></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Georgia'"><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #ff00ff">"Do all things without complaining and disputing"</span></span></span> > in Philippians 2:13-16. By the way, if you look at the purpose for this rule > <span style="font-family: 'Georgia'"><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #ff00ff">"that you may become blameless and harmless, children of God without fault"</span></span></span> > the purpose of how God means this rule is so we become like Jesus > conformed to the image of Jesus . . . <span style="font-family: 'Georgia'"><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: #ff00ff">"that He might be the firstborn among many brethren" </span></span></span>(in Romans 8:29)! So, there are these reasons for God's morals of relating > to become like Jesus . . . as His own family. So, this is an example of how I say God's word has standards for God and us, about how to be and about family . . . not only practical action morals.</p><p></p><p>Arguing can be very anti-love; yet we don't see laws and church morals, much, I think, against arguing, or delineating which arguing is good and which is bad. And societal and church culture regulations can be more individual, it seems to me.</p><p></p><p>But we can relate in the really morally good way, by submitting to how God is guiding us while we are relating and communicating as His family.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="com7fy8, post: 76210353, member: 331347"] Yes, I think there is morality of the sort which even evil people can understand, and we can find a lot of such moral principles written in God's word. But God Himself has standards which He goes by. For example, He has His overall purpose of having many children who are conformed to the image of Jesus; and so He works all things in accordance to this purpose and standard which guides Him Himself. And in prayer we seek to be guided according to all which guides God, Himself, though we might not understand all He is going by > we submit to God in His peace > [FONT=Georgia][SIZE=5][COLOR=#ff00ff]"And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you were called in one body; and be thankful."[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] (Colossians 3:15) In this peace we are guided according to more and better than what unbelievers can understand . . . and what can be better ways than we ourselves can understand. There is being guided as family, versus only as individuals. A lot of human level morality which humans can understand is only about each individual and one's own rights. I don't remember anything about living in a family way, in the American Constitution, by the way. Rights and obligations seem to be only or mainly about each one for one's own self. But God's word is very into relational morals > including > [FONT=Georgia][SIZE=5][COLOR=#ff00ff]"Do all things without complaining and disputing"[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] > in Philippians 2:13-16. By the way, if you look at the purpose for this rule > [FONT=Georgia][SIZE=5][COLOR=#ff00ff]"that you may become blameless and harmless, children of God without fault"[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] > the purpose of how God means this rule is so we become like Jesus > conformed to the image of Jesus . . . [FONT=Georgia][SIZE=5][COLOR=#ff00ff]"that He might be the firstborn among many brethren" [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT](in Romans 8:29)! So, there are these reasons for God's morals of relating > to become like Jesus . . . as His own family. So, this is an example of how I say God's word has standards for God and us, about how to be and about family . . . not only practical action morals. Arguing can be very anti-love; yet we don't see laws and church morals, much, I think, against arguing, or delineating which arguing is good and which is bad. And societal and church culture regulations can be more individual, it seems to me. But we can relate in the really morally good way, by submitting to how God is guiding us while we are relating and communicating as His family. [/QUOTE]
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