Is there a difference between Saved and Salvation

[he4rty]

Recently there have been a few threads asking if forgiveness or repentance is necessary for salvation and various response have been given.

I had done a brief study of salvation for a sketch I was working on and I to at some point would have said these things could possibly be necessary for Salvation.

Then after reading through some of the threads posted on here I started wondering about how acurate this idea of salvation was that I had percieved.

It was then that I believe God opened my heart to this one fundemental truth that seems to be getting confused on this forum - Salvation is not being saved, Same as being born is not Living.

So, what do I mean, Paul clearly tells us in Phil 2:12

Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed - not only in my presence, but much more in my absence - continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling.

It would apear then that Salvation is not a one time only event but something which will continue throughout our lifetime here on earth.

So, how are we saved, Jesus in talking with Nicodemus tells us in John 3:16

For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

Therefore to be saved or born again is simply a matter of Believing in Jesus.

So then what about Salvation, Yes I do believe that salvation does require the forgiveness of others, the repentance of sins etc. but that does not make us Saved, only believing in Jesus can do that, I believe that when Paul talks of working through your salvation with fear and trembling he is implying that if we truely Believe in Jesus and what he has done for us on the cross then these additional things will come fairly naturally if not maybe we need to Examine ourselves.

thats my thoughts on the subject.

Hearty

 

[John1032]

Hi Mr H.

Be very wary of "head knowledge" of "Biblical Knowledge".

The Concise Dictionary states that "salvation" means: the act of saving or delivering; or the state of being saved or delivered; or deliverance from the power and penalty of sin; or redemption.

When we are "saved", we are GOD-given the Gift of Salvation.

 

[John1032]

“Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure.” (Phlp. 2:12-13)

Like most Scriptures, we need to read the verses either side of a specific verse.

Paul is admonishing the Philippians to have the mind of our Messiah, and the subject is their mutual corporate salvation of being humble, and confessing that HE is “Christ the Lord”.

Salvation is a huge “GIFT” given to us by our Messiah, and Paul is encouraging them to develop and “work out” their salvation and not to “work for it”!

 

[he4rty]

Hi Mr H.

Be very wary of "head knowledge" of "Biblical Knowledge".

The Concise Dictionary states that "salvation" means: the act of saving or delivering; or the state of being saved or delivered; or deliverance from the power and penalty of sin; or redemption.

When we are "saved", we are GOD-given the Gift of Salvation.

This is what I'm refering to Salvation starts the moment we are Born again or saved, being saved is the event, Salvation is then the outworking of that event.

“Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure.” (Phlp. 2:12-13)

Like most Scriptures, we need to read the verses either side of a specific verse.

Paul is admonishing the Philippians to have the mind of our Messiah, and the subject is their mutual corporate salvation of being humble, and confessing that HE is “Christ the Lord”.

Salvation is a huge “GIFT” given to us by our Messiah, and Paul is encouraging them to develop and “work out” their salvation and not to “work for it”!

I'm not asking anyone to work for there Salvation, because we cannot, when Jesus died and rose again our sins were forgiven.

The rest is done in Love and obedience to this fact.

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

This is what I'm refering to Salvation starts the moment we are Born again or saved, being saved is the event, Salvation is then the outworking of that event.



I'm not asking anyone to work for there Salvation, because we cannot, when Jesus died and rose again our sins were forgiven.

The rest is done in Love and obedience to this fact.

I think you've thrown in something for people to chew on I like the wording "Salvation is then the outworking of that event". No where in scripture do we see examples of people getting saved and then deliberately not living in obedience to what HE says. Yet, in this day and age, there are a great deal of people doing just that but teaching others to do it as well. Learning obedience to Him is not what saves us, yet is quite important to our walk in the Spirit of Christ.

 

[enoch son]

salvation is what has come. Being save is the awaking giving by god so one can understand what has happean.

 

[nephilimiyr]

In my opinion, it's not that there's a difference but that salvation is a busier word than saved. Saved means saved from eternal seperation from God, salvation includes that but also includes our total inheritance.

 

[the.Sheepdog]

neph, I like that. 2 points for you.

 

[Kaella]

In my opinion, it's not that there's a difference but that salvation is a busier word than saved. Saved means saved from eternal seperation from God, salvation includes that but also includes our total inheritance.

People have differing opinions on what is full salvation. To the Jews (Old Testement) that means reaping the earth. To the Christian (New Testement) that means heavenly inheritance. Saved to an earthly inheritance is a partial seperation from God, because those of Israel rejected and replaced Him with tradition. So those who are still using traditions as a means to salvation are choosing an earthly reward (JW) Heavenly foundations that are built INCLUDE 30-60-100 fold but the total inheritance belongs to the overcomer. Then you have to look at Rev 2-3

 

[John1032]

I must have misunderstood you Mr. H, because I thought you were trying to split hairs to make "salvation" and "saved" as two different elements of being "born again"?

 

[enoch son]

In my opinion, it's not that there's a difference but that salvation is a busier word than saved. Saved means saved from eternal seperation from God, salvation includes that but also includes our total inheritance.

there is not one ver. that backs that opion. Romans 8;35 say's that nothing can.

 

[Cassidy]

I dunno I think we're splitting straws here.

Thinking of a boat and people who are drowning in the water....Salvation is the act of throwing out a life saver and the person getting hold of that life saver and come aboard the boat. 'Saved' is the state of that person now on the boat whether or not that boat has reached it's destination.

 

[enoch son]

I dunno I think we're splitting straws here.

Thinking of a boat and people who are drowning in the water....Salvation is the act of throwing out a life saver and the person getting hold of that life saver and come aboard the boat. 'Saved' is the state of that person now on the boat whether or not that boat has reached it's destination.

Remove the work of the rope and we are on the same page. It's more like God reach out His hand and pulled you out of the water to me.

 

[nephilimiyr]

I dunno I think we're splitting straws here.

Thinking of a boat and people who are drowning in the water....Salvation is the act of throwing out a life saver and the person getting hold of that life saver and come aboard the boat. 'Saved' is the state of that person now on the boat whether or not that boat has reached it's destination.

And here's how I see it. The people on the boat have a destination. People who are drowning in the water are saved by getting them out of the water and into the boat. That's what being saved means, they were once drowning but now are safe on the boat. Salvation is when they reach their destination.

 

[Cassidy]

Remove the work of the rope and we are on the same page. It's more like God reach out His hand and pulled you out of the water to me.

Well yeh...like he needs a rope!

Just trying to put it in 'human' terms kinda

 

[Cassidy]

And here's how I see it. The people on the boat have a destination. People who are drowning in the water are saved by getting them out of the water and into the boat. That's what being saved means, they were once drowning but now are safe on the boat. Salvation is when they reach their destination.

aaah ha! Yes that's more like it I reckon

 

[enoch son]

Well yeh...like he needs a rope!

Just trying to put it in 'human' terms kinda

Yes but it is written "a little leaven,leaven the whole loaf." So what I'm saying is a little man is to much. there no place in God to give adam a break.

 

[he4rty]

I dunno I think we're splitting straws here.

Thinking of a boat and people who are drowning in the water....Salvation is the act of throwing out a life saver and the person getting hold of that life saver and come aboard the boat. 'Saved' is the state of that person now on the boat whether or not that boat has reached it's destination.

It might seem as though I'm splitting Hairs, but what I'm trying to focus in on is the fact that to be saved from sin is a free gift from God. Now, if to recieve that free gift I have to then do this and that, then in my opinion its not really free.
So this is really the basis of the thread to recieve the free gift God has given us we just have to believe and put our trust in what Jesus has done for us on the cross, then once we have fully understood and recieved that Gift then the acts of forgiving others and repentance Etc will follow natuarally out of love and obedience.
Maybe the choice of wording could have been better, but I hope you all understand where I'm trying to come from with this thread.

And here's how I see it. The people on the boat have a destination. People who are drowning in the water are saved by getting them out of the water and into the boat. That's what being saved means, they were once drowning but now are safe on the boat. Salvation is when they reach their destination.

Good thoughts.

 

[John1032]

It might seem as though I'm splitting Hairs, but what I'm trying to focus in on is the fact that to be saved from sin is a free gift from God. Now, if to recieve that free gift I have to then do this and that, then in my opinion its not really free.
So this is really the basis of the thread to recieve the free gift God has given us we just have to believe and put our trust in what Jesus has done for us on the cross, then once we have fully understood and recieved that Gift then the acts of forgiving others and repentance Etc will follow natuarally out of love and obedience.
Maybe the choice of wording could have been better, but I hope you all understand where I'm trying to come from with this thread.



Good thoughts.

“For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, ‘The just shall live by faith.’” (Rom. 1:16-17)

Hi Hearty,

By faith, a believer: is saved from the penalty of sin, being saved by the penalty of sin, and will be saved from the very presence of sin, and that is FAITH.

“From Faith to Faith” is the beginning of our walk at “salvation”, as it’s a process. Our first exercise of faith is in our Messiah, and as we “live by faith”, then we will be saved from the power of sin. And that is what “salvation” is all about.

I guess that is what you are saying?