is the thing that most 15 year olds do wrong??

RipleyCountyChristian · Mar 6, 2011

Well even though the medical field doesn't recognize a "porn addiction" it really has taken over and affected peoples lives ruining relationships.

And no I see no problem with God convicting people for thinking about things that are wrong.

HarborOrange · Mar 7, 2011

Exial said:
You call it an addiction but no medical institution in the world recognizes the diagnosis of "porn addiction". Porn has no physically addictive properties. Do not scaremonger.

Does the medical field recognize an addiction to texting? I don't believe so, but it's real. It's pretty obvious that people can become addicted to porn. I know several people who are, so you can't tell me that it's not addicting.

Exial · Mar 7, 2011

HarborOrange said:
Does the medical field recognize an addiction to texting? I don't believe so, but it's real. It's pretty obvious that people can become addicted to porn. I know several people who are, so you can't tell me that it's not addicting.

There is a significant difference bewteen something that is physically addictive and psychologically addictive. Nicotine, for example is phsyically addictive and I know this addiction very well. Currently, I have starved myself of nicotine for just over 3 months. As such, I have suffered minor withdrawal symptoms such as anxiety and irritability. This is the consequence of physical addiction.

Psychological addiction/behavioural addiction is a recurring compulsion whereby a person engages in a specific activity despite harmful consequences to the person's health, mental state, or social life. This is the kind of "addiction" (use the term very lightly) that you are talking about.

The type of behaviors that have been identified are shopping, eating, gambling, sex, internet, computers, videogames, work, exercise , spiritual obbsession, pain, cutting, shopping and pornography. Does this mean all of these behaviour are bad? No, of course not, only when people take them to extremes. Blame for this kind of addiction falls purely on the person engaging in the activity.

Exial · Mar 7, 2011

Sorry for double post.

RipleyCountyChristian said:
And no I see no problem with God convicting people for thinking about things that are wrong.

There is a horrible idea Christians have about there own god.

He owns us
He makes us
He supervises us, asleep and awake
He is always watching us
He knows are thoughts
He can convict us of thought crime
He can judge us while we sleep, for things that occur to us in our dreams
He creates us sick (in sin) and on pain of eternal torture, orders us to be well again.
To believe this and wish this to be true is to live your life as a slave, and glad of your chains.

Fatally.Yours · Mar 7, 2011

So, what happens if you're married and touch thinking about your wife/husband?

RipleyCountyChristian · Mar 7, 2011

Well that would be ok considering that you are married to that person. But, there really is no point to do that once your married.

HarborOrange · Mar 7, 2011

Exial said:
There is a significant difference bewteen something that is physically addictive and psychologically addictive. Nicotine, for example is phsyically addictive and I know this addiction very well. Currently, I have starved myself of nicotine for just over 3 months. As such, I have suffered minor withdrawal symptoms such as anxiety and irritability. This is the consequence of physical addiction.

Psychological addiction/behavioural addiction is a recurring compulsion whereby a person engages in a specific activity despite harmful consequences to the person's health, mental state, or social life. This is the kind of "addiction" (use the term very lightly) that you are talking about.

The type of behaviors that have been identified are shopping, eating, gambling, sex, internet, computers, videogames, work, exercise , spiritual obbsession, pain, cutting, shopping and pornography. Does this mean all of these behaviour are bad? No, of course not, only when people take them to extremes. Blame for this kind of addiction falls purely on the person engaging in the activity.

Yes, I understand that. The type of addiction is purely mental.
However, you do recognize that it can become an addiction, correct?

Mr.Williamson · Mar 8, 2011

Sadly I didn't get to the major posting times in this forum, I've been reading through, and I agree with the statement that you never ever get into porn. It's a hard habit to break. And with your thing with pictures is that, once you get tired of that you'll want something more. So try to stay away from that. But since you're saying you're doing better, great to hear! Just remember that a lot of people struggle with the same thing, just don't ever talk about it.

Exial · Mar 8, 2011

HarborOrange said:
Yes, I understand that. The type of addiction is purely mental.
However, you do recognize that it can become an addiction, correct?

In a sense yes, but that does not make it inherently bad. Porn is addicting in the same way shopping is addicting. Does that make shopping equally as bad as porn? No, of course it doesn't.

If someone becomes addicted to these activities it is because of their own lack of self control, not the fault of the activity. Thus you should not scaremonger by saying porn is bad. Millions of people use porn and never become addicted, like millions of people work, shop and exercise and never become addicted. Its a very small minority of people who cannot control themselves.

Fatally.Yours · Mar 8, 2011

RipleyCountyChristian said:
Well that would be ok considering that you are married to that person. But, there really is no point to do that once your married.

You might have a mismatched sex drive, you never know.

xygtfalcon · Mar 8, 2011

Exial said:
In a sense yes, but that does not make it inherently bad. Porn is addicting in the same way shopping is addicting. Does that make shopping equally as bad as porn? No, of course it doesn't.

If someone becomes addicted to these activities it is because of their own lack of self control, not the fault of the activity. Thus you should not scaremonger by saying porn is bad. Millions of people use porn and never become addicted, like millions of people work, shop and exercise and never become addicted. Its a very small minority of people who cannot control themselves.

The problem isn't the addiction though. The addiction is secondary. The problem is the lust in itself is a sin. It wouldn't be easy to watch porn without lusting.

Exial · Mar 8, 2011

xygtfalcon said:
The problem isn't the addiction though. The addiction is secondary. The problem is the lust in itself is a sin. It wouldn't be easy to watch porn without lusting.

So, its not your actions its your thoughts? The bit god doesn't like is you lusting over others. So, like I said earlier he is convicting people of thought crime.. (anybody read George Orwell's 1984?) and you don't so how that is so totalitarian.

What about dreams? I have had dreams that involved sexual intercourse with other people, its a male thing, that could also be classed as lusting. I have absolutely no control over what I think about whilst I am asleep and dreaming. I guess god is judging me then also? For something I cannot control?

RipleyCountyChristian · Mar 8, 2011

I don't think you can lust while you are dreaming, because as you said, you have no control over what goes on in your dreams.

xygtfalcon · Mar 8, 2011

THe dreams you are talking about is different. You have no control over them. Therefore you don't choose to do it. The reason we can't lust over another person is because sexuality is a gift from God meant only for being practiced in wedlock.

Exial · Mar 9, 2011

RipleyCountyChristian said:
I don't think you can lust while you are dreaming, because as you said, you have no control over what goes on in your dreams.

So as long as I chose to think about women in a sexual way it is okay for God to punish me?

I am not even safe from gods wrath in my own mind.

You have no problem with thought crime then? You don't think that is a terrible thing to tell people? God will punish you for your thoughts?

What a cruel and evil deity.

xygtfalcon · Mar 9, 2011

Well from your approach it may seem that way. However from my judgement I see no problem with God 'punishing' for thoughts, he did afterall create our minds. He never forces you to follow his law while on earth you still have the choice (freewill). How can that be cruel?

Exial · Mar 12, 2011

However from my judgement I see no problem with God 'punishing' for thoughts he did afterall create our minds.

I disagree, I see a big problem. If god creates our minds and can punish our thoughts in our mind that he created that implies he owns us. If god owns us then we are nothing more than slaves.

He never forces you to follow his law while on earth you still have the choice (freewill).

True, god doesn't command people to do anything. His followers do a good enough job of doing that.

But what happens if I choose not to follow his law?

How can that be cruel?

How can it not be cruel!?

If I see an attractive women on the street I often find myself having strong sexual thoughts about this women. Doesn't happen all the time, like if I'm with my girlfriend or have had sex in the last few days then I lose all interest in women. But this these sudden thoughts, the temporary lust is instinctive. I have no control over them, when I see a attractive women I do not take a second to decide whether I will have lustful thoughts over her. It just either happens or it doesn't. To expect to be able to control this as a teenage male is a ridiculous. To expected to be punished for this is both cruel and evil.

RobertMerton · Mar 14, 2011

good day.
this might be better suited in the guys forumss.

but

check out this site

Freedom from habitual sin: Overeating, Pornography, Smoking, Drinking

Jarrodis · Mar 15, 2011

I actually see us as being free because we Belong To God

And back to the sexual dream, sure u cant control it, but what stops repenting? Jesus died for us, we don't have to feel Gods wrath. He is a merciful God, He forgives unconditionally, so you chose whether or not you want to be punished

is the thing that most 15 year olds do wrong??

The guy Chuck Norris tries to live up to :)

I am a sieve.

Active Member

Active Member

I may be bad, but I'm perfectly good at it.

The guy Chuck Norris tries to live up to :)

I am a sieve.

Do you feel lucky...punk?

Active Member

I may be bad, but I'm perfectly good at it.

Safe From The Losing Fight

Active Member

The guy Chuck Norris tries to live up to :)

Safe From The Losing Fight

Active Member

Safe From The Losing Fight

Active Member

Veteran

follower of jesus Christ the savior

Similar threads

Privacy & Transparency

Privacy & Transparency