is the sense of decency modesty-related?

[peter2]

It's the more often the case that people use the word:"decency" as a synonym for "modesty". I agree being modest leads them to choose decency, and on the level of one's emotion displaying, too. In your opinion, is it then equally true decency is always a chaste token of modesty? Is it the sign of a chastened feeling? Couldn't this restraint hide, on the contrary, something very different from modesty?
(My aim is just to give back the sense of decency what is, or is not, its own)

 

[Dave-W]

"Decency" is not a biblical concept. Modesty is, but it relates to not flaunting wealth or status; and is not in the context of showing off the body.

 

[peter2]

is not in the context of showing off the body.

thank you, Dave,
The "decency" i speak of is not referring to the showing off the body, but to the showing off the feelings

 

[Dave-W]

thank you, Dave,
The "decency" i speak of is not referring to the showing off the body, but to the showing off the feelings

Perhaps it is a US thing, but I have never heard "decency" or "modesty" to refer to emotions (or lack thereof).

In the 2nd century (following the failed Bar Kochba revolt) Rome came down hard on the Jewish people and the church (to avoid that persecution) distanced itself from Judaism and the Jewish people as much as possible.

2nd temple Jewish society was very emotionally demonstrative, so the church picked a more Greek Stoic attitude and ethos. The rise of logic over emotion.

 

[peter2]

Perhaps it is a US thing, but I have never heard "decency" or "modesty" to refer to emotions (or lack thereof).

Maybe it's a french thing, or i failed to find the correct translation for the french word:"pudeur". Maybe, "prudishness" would suit more to express this restraint of feeling or emotion !?!
Whatever it is, thank you for your explanation (

2nd temple Jewish society was very emotionally demonstrative, so the church picked a more Greek Stoic attitude and ethos. The rise of logic over emotion.

)over its origin, but don't you think this attitude is a disservice for simplicity? Maybe is there a balance between over and under-demonstrativeness that would promote true simplicity or humility. And that would give back this attitude (let's suppose it's the word "prudishness") its true value, which i guess is not so virtuous that they think, or at least hides something not virtuous. What's your opinion, please?

 

[peter2]

i come back with my question, thinking of those children Jesus advises us to imitate: They spontaneously try and approach Jesus, and he told their mind was a good one to enter the Kingdom. Shouldn't christians make their feelings accessible acccordingly?

 

[Mattin91]

Human dignity begins with Human decency. And that means modesty in dress, in speech and in actions.

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[yeshuaslavejeff]

i come back with my question, thinking of those children Jesus advises us to imitate: They spontaneously try and approach Jesus, and he told their mind was a good one to enter the Kingdom. Shouldn't christians make their feelings accessible acccordingly?

Often , if they did, in church(es) around the world, they would only get hurt by others, and no good purpose would be served. (I think) Because of the way things are today.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

2nd temple Jewish society was very emotionally demonstrative, so the church picked a more Greek Stoic attitude and ethos. The rise of logic over emotion.

That could be, but it is known that the ungodly influence of greek life severely changed 'Christianity' quite a bit negatively, even in motives (it seems), doctrines, and other teachings that today are considered a "solid" part of Christianity/ church authority.

)over its origin, but don't you think this attitude is a disservice for simplicity? Maybe is there a balance between over and under-demonstrativeness that would promote true simplicity or humility. And that would give back this attitude (let's suppose it's the word "prudishness") its true value, which i guess is not so virtuous that they think, or at least hides something not virtuous. What's your opinion, please?

A lot (of wrong(s)) is/are hidden today. If that is part of the reason, is likely, but there may be many parts, many reasons.

 

[peter2]

Often , if they did, in church(es) around the world, they would only get hurt by others, and no good purpose would be served.

Why? Is it not a good christian testimony?! May be they have more to lose than you think. What about the salt of the earth? Of course, there is suffering! Just watch how Jesus was humiliated

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Why? Is it not a good christian testimony?! May be they have more to lose than you think. What about the salt of the earth? Of course, there is suffering! Just watch how Jesus was humiliated

Remember WHO tried at first, until scolded BY JESUS,
who tried at first to STOP the children from getting to JESUS ?

Men are not as advanced today as the disciples were...
men OFTEN try to STOP or to PREVENT anyone from getting to JESUS,
according to all Scripture.
When little ones of any age , pure in heart and soul and desire to get to Jesus,
become known/ seen/
they are , like in Scripture, often stopped, sometimes beaten or scolded, even worse, according to Scripture (like the one who will cross a desert and ocean to make a convert twice as bad as themselves, out of a little child of any age).

 

[peter2]

they are , like in Scripture, often stopped, sometimes beaten or scolded,

That would make a bit of a martyr of them, as you say you are..

like the one who will cross a desert and ocean to make a convert twice as bad as themselves

Scribes and Pharisees that did this probably warned with their leaven to flee from the wrath to come?
Not by using beating nor scolding, but rather likely their leaven

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

That would make a bit of a martyr of them, as you say you are..

Scribes and Pharisees that did this probably warned with their leaven to flee from the wrath to come?
Not by using beating nor scolding, but rather likely their leaven

? I'm not sure, I don't know, if they knew or thought about the truth at all, or if they ever did something about it, like warning ....

 

[JCFantasy23]

It's the more often the case that people use the word:"decency" as a synonym for "modesty". I agree being modest leads them to choose decency, and on the level of one's emotion displaying, too. In your opinion, is it then equally true decency is always a chaste token of modesty? Is it the sign of a chastened feeling? Couldn't this restraint hide, on the contrary, something very different from modesty?

Honestly I never associate decency with modesty really. For one thing, "modesty" is too vague, but I'm hoping morals with decency are more easily agreed upon than how a person dresses or appears to the world. As we all know, appearances can be deceiving. You'd find a shocking lack of decency with many primly dressed, judgemental individuals. Remember Victorian society? *shudders*

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Honestly I never associate decency with modesty really. For one thing, "modesty" is too vague, but I'm hoping morals with decency are more easily agreed upon than how a person dresses or appears to the world. As we all know, appearances can be deceiving. You'd find a shocking lack of decency with many primly dressed, judgemental individuals. Remember Victorian society? *shudders*

...and a shocking immorrallitty (lack of morality)
in undressed, uncovered non-judgemental and judgemental individuals and groups.

 

[peter2]

I'm hoping morals with decency are more easily agreed upon than how a person dresses or appears to the world

Thank you JCF,
as i told Dave,

The "decency" i speak of is not referring to the showing off the body, but to the showing off the feelings

, for i think it would be a christian behavior to avoid restraining to display their feelings, in the manner of Nathanël, about whom Jesus told:
(John1,47) Behold, an Israelite indeed, in whom is no guile!

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

, for i think it would be a christian behavior to avoid restraining to display their feelings, in the manner of Nathanël, about whom Jesus told:
(John1,47) Behold, an Israelite indeed, in whom is no guile!

In your opinion, is it then equally true decency is always a chaste token of modesty? Is it the sign of a chastened feeling? Couldn't this restraint hide, on the contrary, something very different from modesty?
(My aim is just to give back the sense of decency what is, or is not, its own)

thank you, Dave,
The "decency" i speak of is not referring to the showing off the body, but to the showing off the feelings

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