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Interesting. I haven't read the UB, but from what you wrote, it sounds alot like what early Buddhism teaches ... "miracles" being the results of proper application and handling of higher universal laws than the lesser laws governing the physical universe; and that there are many beings at various levels of spiritual development, whether celestial, terrestrial, or in various hells.Thanks for sharing more of your experience with the UB. I get where you are coming from, myself I grew up in a moderate Methodist church. My dad was a closet UB reader from the 60's. Every so often dad, over in his reading chair, would read one of those long profound paragraphs, it was as if I already knew what he was reading and that it was true. I never believed half the Bible and hated going to church. After my psychic change at 22 I began reading the UB in earnest, it answered many of my questions and helped me reconcile at least some of what is in the Bible even though those events were grossly misunderstood and deliberately distorted by Biblical authors. I accept the explanation and revelatory content of the UB as authoritative. I like the teaching that miracles aren't really miracles, we just don't know how things are done by beings that are vastly higher in intelligence than we are. I like the idea that there is no magic, everything has an explanation, that celestial beings aren't magic figures, they are just outside of our range of senses. There is much more but I won't bore you with it.
Thanks again
If our "self" is an activity of God, then it's essentially a part of God, I would say. Then, basically everything becomes God ... sounds like the concept of Brahman in Hinduism ...More like an activity of God. But God in a Panentheist sense. Human beings is the cosmos being aware of itself.
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Sorry but i have no recollection of that at all. Is it your position that the self begins at birth? Why would you pick that point in time over other points in time? do you perhaps remember coming into being? did it happen at your birth? Tell me what being born felt like from your personal experience of it.
Are you equating self with the idea of lifespan? Not everyone does you know.
But the fact is that No, I haven't experienced my death anymore than i have any experience of my birth.
Have you experienced your's ? What is it like to not exist and how can you post if you do not exist?
Seems contradictory. Or have you been reincarnated or something like that with non existence in between?
By 1789 are you referring to some subjective date when something was supposed to have happened?
Does that concept have any real validity?
In my experience, how one views the taste of food is a very subjective and personal thing. Even should i accept the number 1789 as being somehow significant to my selfhood I do not see how my view on what food is like would have any significance.
The double negative was a mistake on my part should have been "ever"not "never".
There are flaws in all manner of thinking.
For that matter, science is not an exact science.
One needs to use one's imagination in order to even consider the end of awareness of oneself let alone the possibility of a continuation of that awareness beyond the ability of the self to communicate with those that remain in the state that we now reside in.
My imagination is actually quite facile. I can discard it if it pleases me but I understand that my options for reasoning become very much limited without it.
In my experience, many people will insist that others must discard those parts of their imagination that they(i.e. the insisting party) personally regard as unacceptable while simultaneously insisting that those others accept all things that they are wont to imagine.
It's saying that there is One Reality of Being. This physical world is an illusion. But at the same time one can look through matter and see the Divine activity with in it. I have trouble using the word "God", because it's usually associated with the image of the Divine as separate and apart from the cosmos, when it's actually whole, United and One with all there is.If our "self" is an activity of God, then it's essentially a part of God, I would say. Then, basically everything becomes God ... sounds like the concept of Brahman in Hinduism ...
If the spirit/soul consists of the mind, will, and emotions, then the spirit/soul cannot be eternal, since its components (mind, will, emotions) are mutable.You are a spirit.
You are not a mind.
The mind as well as the will and emotions are the soul of a person.
You have a body.
You are not a body.
The body is where you live while on the planet.
When the body can no longer function for what ever reason.
The real person.
Spirit and soul are separated from the body.
That is scriptural death.
If a person was born again (Rom 10:9) before that separation occurs.
They spend eternity with God.
If a person was not born again (Rom 10:9) before that separation occurs.
They spend eternity with the devil.
You are a spirit.
You are not a mind.
The mind as well as the will and emotions are the soul of a person.
You have a body.
You are not a body.
The body is where you live while on the planet.
When the body can no longer function for what ever reason.
The real person.
Spirit and soul are separated from the body.
That is scriptural death.
If a person was born again (Rom 10:9) before that separation occurs.
They spend eternity with God.
If a person was not born again (Rom 10:9) before that separation occurs.
They spend eternity with the devil.
No, I don't think our "self" is eternal. I've never encountered any evidence of a self existing after death...in some cases a self can be destroyed prior to death, and that's usually a sad situation.
Now, if you want to get all warm and fuzzy about it...you can discuss how part of our self will in some ways, big and small, eternally affect the future. The idea that as part of a social structure...or arguably just by being alive...we leave a footprint (no matter how tiny) upon the road of time. I've known some atheists who seem to genuinely like or believe this idea.
Perhaps what you should consider is...would you really want to exist eternally as your self? I think I can make a reasonable argument that you probably wouldn't enjoy the experience at some point and no longer enjoy it for an eternity afterwards. I won't get into that topic, since its not really the subject of your OP...but I think it's something to consider.
How in the world did you come to the point where you think you are smarter and better than God? You are going to prove Him wrong in death? You are going to prove you have the right to exist as long as you live? You have the right to exist but you do not have the right to say no to death when death's finalized for you? All of your vile hatred against God is useless, I'm sorry...you need to get saved, today could be your last chance to be saved from Hell.Self only lasts as long as your brain does. It's simply an extension of the brain and nothing more. There's a cold hard bit of reality for you.
Self only lasts as long as your brain does. It's simply an extension of the brain and nothing more. There's a cold hard bit of reality for you.
Would you say you're Hindu, then?It's saying that there is One Reality of Being. This physical world is an illusion. But at the same time one can look through matter and see the Divine activity with in it. I have trouble using the word "God", because it's usually associated with the image of the Divine as separate and apart from the cosmos, when it's actually whole, United and One with all there is.
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In my religion the soul is what grows as we cooperate with spirit. Upon death the indwelling spirit of God takes possession of our identity which must be placed in a new form on the mansion worlds as our material mind is gone back to the elements.
For the same reason theists are so angry and hateful.why are atheists so angry and hateful?
Thanks for sharing more of your experience with the UB. I get where you are coming from, myself I grew up in a moderate Methodist church. My dad was a closet UB reader from the 60's. Every so often dad, over in his reading chair, would read one of those long profound paragraphs, it was as if I already knew what he was reading and that it was true. I never believed half the Bible and hated going to church. After my psychic change at 22 I began reading the UB in earnest, it answered many of my questions and helped me reconcile at least some of what is in the Bible even though those events were grossly misunderstood and deliberately distorted by Biblical authors. I accept the explanation and revelatory content of the UB as authoritative. I like the teaching that miracles aren't really miracles, we just don't know how things are done by beings that are vastly higher in intelligence than we are. I like the idea that there is no magic, everything has an explanation, that celestial beings aren't magic figures, they are just outside of our range of senses. There is much more but I won't bore you with it.
Thanks again
If you won't accept evidence of your unending existence before your death is finalized, it will be forced upon you in death and you will pay for your sin forever in the Lake of Fire.....believe it or not. You will give a full account of yourself to your Creator and if you leave this world rejecting His blood payment for your sins through Jesus Christ who took your place in death, you will keep your place in death and know God's wrath against your pride in the Lake of Fire. God loves you and does not want you to be lost in Hell forever, that is why He took on a body to die in your place, He loved you that much, and He is risen from the dead offering you forgiveness if you will believe on Him and call on God in His name to save you from Hell. Your refusal to believe will not be an acceptable excuse for God after He gave His only Son to pay for your sins. Jesus is God the Son sent by God the Father to pay for your sins so God can consider your debt paid and you don't have to pay in Hell. The only person your hatred of God stands against is you, and you are trying to oppose God but you are only opposing yourself.
If you won't accept evidence of your unending existence before your death is finalized, it will be forced upon you in death and you will pay for your sin forever in the Lake of Fire.....believe it or not. You will give a full account of yourself to your Creator and if you leave this world rejecting His blood payment for your sins through Jesus Christ who took your place in death, you will keep your place in death and know God's wrath against your pride in the Lake of Fire. God loves you and does not want you to be lost in Hell forever, that is why He took on a body to die in your place, He loved you that much, and He is risen from the dead offering you forgiveness if you will believe on Him and call on God in His name to save you from Hell. Your refusal to believe will not be an acceptable excuse for God after He gave His only Son to pay for your sins. Jesus is God the Son sent by God the Father to pay for your sins so God can consider your debt paid and you don't have to pay in Hell. The only person your hatred of God stands against is you, and you are trying to oppose God but you are only opposing yourself.
Nope. I'm just a Lover of my Beloved God. Some would say the "Religion of the Heart".Would you say you're Hindu, then?
It's hard to watch people shaking their fists in God's face claiming they have the right to exist outside of Hell when they have no power to keep themselves out of the fire.
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