Is the parable of Lazarus a parable?

[Sammy-San]

Jesus didn't rise from the dead, at the time Lazarus was dead. It speaks of the rich man seeing Abraham, and those in hell are in outer darkness.

 

[CGL1023]

Jesus didn't rise from the dead, at the time Lazarus was dead. It speaks of the rich man seeing Abraham, and those in hell are in outer darkness.

The story of Lazarus coming back to life from the dead at Jesus' command, involves a real person, loved by Jesus. I could not imagine it being a parable.

 

[TuxAme]

The story of Lazarus coming back to life from the dead at Jesus' command, involves a real person, loved by Jesus. I could not imagine it being a parable.

The other Lazarus.

 

[Sammy-San]

The story of Lazarus coming back to life from the dead at Jesus' command, involves a real person, loved by Jesus. I could not imagine it being a parable.

So those in outer darkness see nothing?

 

[St_Worm2]

So those in outer darkness see nothing?

Hi SS, the rich man was able to see both Abraham and Lazarus (e.g. Luke 16:22-26), and they conversed with one another across the chasm that separated them (which could not be crossed).

As for whether the story is true or not, many believe that it is, while many others believe that it is not (I side with the former for what it's worth).

There is a great series by Dr. R C Sproul called The Parables of Jesus, which I highly recommend to you, and which you can watch for free if you are an Amazon Prime member Amazon.com: The Parables of Jesus: R.C. Sproul, Dirk Naves, David Theriault, John Haslam: Amazon Digital Services LLC

If not, you can watch it here instead (though there is probably a fee attached): Parable of Lazarus & the Rich Man by R.C. Sproul

Yours and His,
David

 

[Sammy-San]

Hi SS, the rich man was able to see both Abraham and Lazarus (e.g. Luke 16:22-26), and they conversed with one another across the chasm that separated them (which could not be crossed).

As for whether the story is true or not, many believe that it is, while many others believe that it is not (I side with the former for what it's worth).

There is a great series by Dr. R C Sproul called The Parables of Jesus, which I highly recommend to you, and which you can watch for free if you are an Amazon Prime member Amazon.com: The Parables of Jesus: R.C. Sproul, Dirk Naves, David Theriault, John Haslam: Amazon Digital Services LLC

If not, you can watch it here instead (though there is probably a fee attached): Parable of Lazarus & the Rich Man by R.C. Sproul

Yours and His,
David

A chasm and visible people, inside the earth?

 

[St_Worm2]

Not sure where Sheol or Hades and Abraham's Bosom (Paradise) were located.

 

[JIMINZ]

Jesus didn't rise from the dead, at the time Lazarus was dead. It speaks of the rich man seeing Abraham, and those in hell are in outer darkness.

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No, it's only a story about the Jewish People (Nation) not accepting their Messiah, and therefore losing the Kingdom which was available for them in Christ.

All the Parables are about the Kingdom of God..... Period.

 

[Rubiks]

It certainly has the literary style of Jesus' parables. The only "argument" against it being a parable is that is uses an actual name (Lazarus).

 

[Rubiks]

and those in hell are in outer darkness.

No, that's Pop Theology that conflates Sheol with Gehenna.

BibleGateway - : outer darkness

 

[Sammy-San]

No, that's Pop Theology that conflates Sheol with Gehenna.

BibleGateway - : outer darkness

The unbelievers go to a horrible place, not just the grave.

 

[Brian Mcnamee]

Jesus didn't rise from the dead, at the time Lazarus was dead. It speaks of the rich man seeing Abraham, and those in hell are in outer darkness.

The term outer darkness is used 3 times in Mathew and no where else. The story of Lazarus is not a parable as specific name of Lazarus was a beggar and the rich man had brothers and all. The idea of being blind in outer darkness seems logical and I can see perhaps the contradiction. The idea behind outer darkness might imply no hope and finality as well. The other verses on the existence of the lost are more consistent with what we say in Abraham's bosom that is agony in the flame. Remember Samuel was summoned and he did come up for the meeting with Saul and was like don't bother me.

there is another verse in Revelation that puts another idea out there too. The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. Seems like the sea has a holding place too.

 

[Hank77]

there is another verse in Revelation that puts another idea out there too. The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. Seems like the sea has a holding place too.

I can't put my finger on where I learned this but it may be that the 'sea' represents the world.

 

[redleghunter]

I give thanks to you Heavenly Father for hearing my complaint.


The Rich Man and Lazarus
Luke 16:19. "There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21and longing to eat what fell from the rich man's table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.

Wealth, comfort, poverty, and suffering have nothing to do with a person’s salvation.

22"The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24So he called to him, 'Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.'

The word messenger is replaced with the word angel. And assuming that this is a parable, there would be no need for Lazarus to be carried to Abraham, before the resurrection. As for being in Hell and torment and agony; that contradicts the verse that says the dead know nothing. It also is a contradiction where scripture says that Yahwah kills the condemned. In regards to the water on the finger; that would evaporate before it even got to a person.

25"But Abraham replied, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.'

Again I say to you that wealth and poverty has nothing to do with the resurrection of the righteous. There is one truth in all of this, and that there is a chasm that has been set in place; and that is called death of the condemned, which are killed by Yahwah. There is no life for them afterward.

27"He answered, 'Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father's house, 28for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.'

29"Abraham replied, 'They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.'

30" 'No, father Abraham,' he said, 'but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.'
31"He said to him, 'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.' "

These are obviously the words of a dim wit, and not the words of an ancient being. No place in these verses is credit given to Yahwah, but only to Moses and the prophets; which would be unlike Yahshua to exclude the Father in matters of life and death.

Hell is a pagan belief and part of the Pagan religion. Why would Yahshua use a nonexistent biblical teaching for which he never explains afterward? Before the return from Babylon, Judaism never taught the concept of hell. But after the return from Babylon, the Hellenistic and Kabbalistic Jews began to introduce Hell into Judaism.

Yahshua never identified the story as a parable, and never explained the relevance as he did in other legitimate parables.
Yahshua, being an ancient being full of knowledge and wisdom, would have had the good sence to explain the new concept. Obviously the story of “The Rich Man and Lazarus” is the words of some man introducing the Pagan concept of Hell.

Genesis 18:25
Far be it from you to do such a thing—to kill the righteous with the wicked, treating the righteous and the wicked alike. Far be it from you! Will not the Judge of all the earth do right?"

Luke 20:16
"What then will the owner of the vineyard do to them? He will come and kill those tenants and give the vineyard to others." When the people heard this, they said, "May this never be!"

Ecclesiastes 9:5
For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing; they have no further reward, and even the memory of them is forgotten.

Revelation 20:14
Then death and Hades (Grave) were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.

Revelation 21
1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. 2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. 4 He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away."
5 He who was seated on the throne said, "I am making everything new!" Then he said, "Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true."
6 He said to me: "It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To him who is thirsty I will give to drink without cost from the spring of the water of life. 7 He who overcomes will inherit all this, and I will be his God and he will be my son. 8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This (That) is the second death."


Just a reminder that it was the Catholic Church that canonized scripture.

It might help if we knew what your canon looks like.

 

[CherubRam]

It might help if we knew what your canon looks like.

I study out of all bibles.

Online Bible Study Tools.
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www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/Hebrew_Index.htm
www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/Greek_Index.htm
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Bible Dictionaries.
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www.studylight.org/dictionaries/hbd/
Ancient Greek Bible Text Online.
codexsinaiticus.org/en/manuscript.aspx
English Translation of the Greek Septuagint Bible.
www.ecmarsh.com/lxx/

 

[JIMINZ]

How bout this one.

 

[CherubRam]

The unbelievers go to a horrible place, not just the grave.

Hell. Germanic origin. Pagan Myth. The word was used to transfer the Pagan concept to Christian theology. For the Judaic-Christian origin of the concept, see Gehenna.



Tar-ta-rus (tartarus) [[ Gr Tartaros ]] Gr. Pagan Myth. An infernal abyss below Hades, where Zeus hurls the rebel Titans, later a place of punishment for the demons and devils. (Mentioned only once in the Bible)


Ha-des (hadez) [[Gr Haides ]] Gr. Pagan Myth. The home of the dead, beneath the earth. b The god of the underworld. 2. Bible: The state or resting place of the dead: The name is used in some modern translations of the New Testament.


She-ol (sheol) [[Heb shaal ]] Hebrew word for grave. A place in the depths of the earth conceived of as place for the dead. Note: In the KJV about half of scriptures are translated as hell, the other half as grave.


Gehenna: Mentioned twelve or thirteen times in the bible. Gehenna: Referring to the Valley of Hinnom, or Gehenna, which is the city dump outside the walls of Jerusalem used for dumping broken pottery.


Topheth is believed to be a location in Jerusalem, in the Valley of Hinnom, where the Canaanites sacrificed children to the god Moloch by burning them alive.

 

[Rubiks]

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[CherubRam]

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[JIMINZ]

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