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Is the minster in your church an atheist?
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<blockquote data-quote="Gadarene" data-source="post: 64872602" data-attributes="member: 306152"><p>Free choice isn't a simple binary. You can heavily bias or weight one's choices by coercion. With strong enough weighting, the fact that it's technically still free is just that, a technicality. I find it a rich to claim that free will is so important when the presence of hell is strongly weighting the setup. Please don't talk to me about consequences when those particular consequences of sin (and indeed sin itself) have been created and defined by the person in charge of judging people and sending them to hell in this particular instance.</p><p></p><p>Are we talking about existence, or simply about whether one should follow God or not? They are two different things.</p><p></p><p>It might not bring new people into the fold, but it will help keep those in line who had some level of belief for other reasons.</p><p></p><p>When the only difference between a Christian who tries to live their life in the best way they can, and is remorseful over their wrongs and a person who lives their life in a similar way is their belief - and the former goes to hell while the latter doesn't - then yes, regardless of whatever excuses that are made, it boils down to being punished for your lack of belief.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Gadarene, post: 64872602, member: 306152"] Free choice isn't a simple binary. You can heavily bias or weight one's choices by coercion. With strong enough weighting, the fact that it's technically still free is just that, a technicality. I find it a rich to claim that free will is so important when the presence of hell is strongly weighting the setup. Please don't talk to me about consequences when those particular consequences of sin (and indeed sin itself) have been created and defined by the person in charge of judging people and sending them to hell in this particular instance. Are we talking about existence, or simply about whether one should follow God or not? They are two different things. It might not bring new people into the fold, but it will help keep those in line who had some level of belief for other reasons. When the only difference between a Christian who tries to live their life in the best way they can, and is remorseful over their wrongs and a person who lives their life in a similar way is their belief - and the former goes to hell while the latter doesn't - then yes, regardless of whatever excuses that are made, it boils down to being punished for your lack of belief. [/QUOTE]
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