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Is the message of Christ Pacifism?

Are today's war's inconsistent with Christ's message of peace?

  • Yes - War is always wrong

  • Yes - War is wrong unless comissioned by a true prophet

  • Yes - Because today's wars don't meet 'just war' criteria

  • No - Because today's wars do meet 'just war' criteria


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I wasn't sure, there are a lot of wars in the bible - but it only seems to be 'OK' when it is a direct order from God through the office of the Prophet. Today's wars have no such commission.

(BTW Paul is very clear: "We do not war")

Here is a collection of passages (compared/contrasted with the violence taught in other faiths)

Based on Judges 7, Genesis 4, 32, Isaiah 26, 37, 60, Exodus 15, Psalms 23, Isaiah 2, Joel 3, Micah 4, Daniel 3, Matthew 5, 24, 26, Hosea 1 (and passages from The Koran (The Cow/The Woman), The Bagvad Ghita, Sikh & Bhuddist scriptures).

I KNOW THIS IS A LONG POST, BUT VERSE 1, 3, 4, & 7 ARE PROBABLY THE BEST.

1. The Unique Message of Christian Love for the Enemy

The armies are amassing – but the Lord withholds his breath.
The prince of peace defends, but will we finally accept the lesson of his suffering and death?
The horsemen are called out - their mounts are ready and freshly shod.
Jacob, we grab and grapple with each other as you once did with Esau and the ‘Face of God’.

"The fate of the soldier caste is to fight Arjuna, for their death is pre-ordained.
On the battlefield at Kurukshetra, the false god Krishna once explained.
The Sikh Guru instructs his forces that when words do not avail
"Draw the sword and with flash of steel, thy enemy impale."

'War is ordained by Allah so kill the unbelievers wherever you may find them.'
The Ayatollahs marshal their forces and in murderous lies they bind them.
Oh Ishmael, you champion archer, what is the value of all the arms and quarrels in your quiver?
When will you seek the true quarry whose blood doth eternal soul deliver?

And, though some Buddhists eschews violence – neither love will they show.
"He who loves 50 has just as many a woe."
But the Baptist commands the soldier differently – "You shall harm no one."
And in many ways this law of peace is confirmed by God's only Son.

For how can an enemy be attacked and killed,
When we are all to love him with Holy Spirit filled?
How can enemy blood be spilled when Christ doth decree,
“Whatever you do, even unto the least, you do even unto me?”

2. God Defends His People

Violence is not the solution - a repeated Bible theme.
For Gideon won a bloodless attack, relying only on God's holy queme.
When Sennacherib approached Jerusalem, King Hezekiah prayed.
And the Lord sent the angel of death upon the Assyrian horde arrayed.

"They shall not enter this city or even hit it with an arrow."
So the reaper of the Lord sent all 185,000 to the harrow.
"On war alone the wicked man is bent.
But against him a merciless messenger will be sent."

The argument was made that to forsake national defense.
Judeo-Christian society would be overthrown and heathens would rule hence.
Well heathens rule o’er the world in many ways, but does anyone even notice.
Are we, in our sin, any freer than those under sharia or even lotus.

Oh, the war is coming and there is no escaping.
But what course of action should the child of the one true God be taking?

3. The Responsibility of Love and Mercy

”Blessed are the peacemakers, he knows you by your love.
You indeed are children of the one true God above.”
“Blessed are you who mercy sow, compassion, forgiveness you invest,
At harvest reap you mercy, and know that you’ve been blessed.”

If we truly love each other, we cannot pursue a selfish, apathetic, isolationist path.
For the Christian is to share all the light and mercies that he hath.
"If you remain indifferent in the time of adversity, your strength will depart.
Withdraw not, and rescue those dragged unto death: love them with all thy heart."

If you support or join peaceful missions risking the furnace or lion’s den
Have faith that God will save you from the condemnation of unrighteous men.
Remember “Do Unto Others…” Is this not the best way to persuade?
Putting our efforts into missions of education, truth, love, and humanitarian aid.

Oh we may have had some success, carrying Teddy’s big stick.
But is not a carrot given in Jesus name, a better way to make the message stick.
Yes, there are some in the world who may only respond to graft or compulsion.
But can we change a heart when the body is induced to violent convulsion?

Can the means be justified by the end, when the end precludes the means?
Can righteousness and peace prevail when on the sword it leans?
Let our hearts be our diplomats, our envoy’s, and our Marshall corps.
And turn our vast capabilities to helping those whom others may ignore.

For He will have mercy and will save us not by bow nor by battle,
Neither by horses, nor by cavalry, Let not thy sabers rattle.
So with all the might and means we have to create brilliant ‘shock and awe’
Let us be a role model with charity and truth, and unfailing adherence to God’s holy law.

4. Mercy, Trust, and What is Just

In bygone days the soldier met his pressed fate gallantly and bravely.
But in a democracy each voter must weigh his solemn charge more gravely.
Now the soldier is a public servant, acting as the governments direct,
Which in turn serves “of, by, and for” the people – as the populous elect.

So wherever the people's will is to any extent policy shaping,
This is an issue, an onus, none of us should be forsaking.
Whether we write a blog, cast a vote, manifest, or idly shoot the breeze,
Our words and deeds have an impact of some varying degrees.

But, whether it's love, politics, fear, or realism which guides our decrees,
We often overlook Christ and choose whatever we please.
It all comes down to simple faith in God and trust.
And meting mercy instead of only what is just.

For isn't that his message to the adulteress' prosecutors.
We are to be forgiving and merciful, not judgment executors.
Or to the indebted servant whose creditor forgave,
But then refused like mercy, showed himself to be the knave.

"For he who lives by rocket, gun, hand grenade, or sword
Shall likewise die by it," thus sayeth the Lord.
What might we find hidden behind the old 'justice' façade.
Should we not plant our own rationalized walls with holy truth petard?

For seventeen hundred years we have succumbed to fear and pride.
And rationalized away a lesson for which our savior died.
Yes, Augustine and Aquinas described correctly when the act of war is just.
But James taught we needn't any sword when in God we truly trust.

“You have war because you lack what you want.”
The cravings of a lost soul invite the war-craven haunt.
“You lack what you want because you don't ask God.”
Calling instead the inglorious names of Waring and Icabod.

5. God Defends His People (Reprise)

“Fear not and stand your ground” all followers of the God of Moses.
“You will see the victory of the Lord today” – His wrath shall carry it.
His angel shall go before you – a pillar as red as a crown of roses.
Though Pharaohs may come out with innumerable war chariot,

The enemy has not the strength of the Lord and is weaker than he supposes.
For the Lord will consume him in the depths and entangle him in reedy lariat.
When God is for you, whoever stands against – his own sarcophagus he closes.
Let us not presume that we need to fight ourselves, as did both Peter and Judas Iscariot.

6. The Triumph of God Even in Human ‘Defeat’

Though there will be many wars and terrible rumors thereof.
We should show our neighbor, even the enemy, only brotherly love.
And even if the societies in which we live are someday over run
Let that not cause us to forsake all our blessings for the gun.

He says "If you refuse to be chastened by me and defy me even more,
Then I too will smite you, seven times harder than before."
"You are not to prepare a defense, for I myself shall guide you by the wrist.
I will give you wisdom that all your adversaries will be powerless to refute or resist."

Let us engage the world for Christ forsaking even armed guard.
And remember that for every strike upon our cheek, we reap a great reward.
When the men of Sodom planned their unclean assault,
God saved the house of Lot and turned the attackers into salt.

The truth of God conquers even in military defeat.
Though in exile, Daniel won Nebuchadnezzar's head councilor's seat.
Though enslaved, and taken away to serve a foreign nation
Joseph saved his people, and his captors too from mass starvation.

There are many examples of war by the old patriarchs and kings
But only when explicitly endorsed by Him, the bell of victory rings.
And even in victory the blessing can be lost, as David found.
When planning the Lord's temple, his bloody hands were bound.

"Oh David you gave the enemies of God great cause to blaspheme"
Let all people learn from this peace, love, and lawful esteem.

7. Conclusion – A Call to Christ and Peace

"Oh Cain, the reddened Earth cries out, soaked in your brothers blood."
How many of them have you left in desert sands and war-trench mud?
Oh Jacob, learn the lesson from your battles - for your thigh is still aching.
Receive the Peniel blessing now, for the dawn of peace is breaking.

"Tend well the vines of peace." Let its good fruit and tendrils
Reach the hearts and lips of all, even presidents and generals
And learn "the beginning of strife is the dripping of a crack in the dam."
So desist before it ruptures – and seal your hearts with the blood of paschal lamb.

Leave the uncertain wilderness of war uncharted and unexplored
For all security, all justice, and all vengeance are mine - thus sayeth the Lord.
For a mighty fortress is our God, never failing or deserting
And all shall be healed in Him of war and pain and hurting.

"Violence shall no more be heard in the land", as we obey His loving orders.
"Lord, No wasting or destruction shall be within thy peoples borders."
"But we shall call thy walls, thy gates, thy rod and staff 'salvation'.
As you defend your people from evil trials and tribulation."

"You are a shield for those who call, You alone are God, a mighty rock.
You rescued me from stubborn people, all enemy violence did you block."
"Let us beat our sword into a plough and our spear into a hook"
"Then the nations shall not know war", only Christ's shepherd crook

For the sword he has endowed is one which cleaves only lies.
Let us wield it skillfully, and willfully join His peaceful battle cries.
So onward Christian soldiers! March out as to war.
But armed with only truth and love of fellow man, for now and evermore.

Come Ishmael, Come Judah, and Arjuna, Come Gautama now and Lao.
Call upon your one true Christ, Jesus, to end the fighting and the row.
And as Jacob relented all his proud and self-made ways.
He saw the Face of God revealed in all His glorious rays.



8. The Bravest ‘300’


A mighty enemy was amassing all its murderous hands.
Filled with the covetous – its ranks were vast and swelled.
The tyrants seeking foreign wives and slaves and lands
Focused now on what message the animal entrails spelled.

But from an impressive army, innumerous and bold.
Came tens of thousands of willing volunteers.
They then who passed the test: only three hundred tolled,
Were selected to face the enemy’s thirty thousand spears.

How would their King and Captain lead ‘em?
Outnumbered by nearly one hundred to one.
They knew they stood for truth and freedom.
But did they fear the coming setting of the sun?

As the enemy made its preparations, confident and proud;
These bravest men with great trust in their God,
Received the armaments which had been endowed,
And listened to the battle plan, humbly and awed.

A night attack would catch the enemy by surprise.
The enemy’s encampment – a midnight raid.
All would be victorious before the sun would rise.
…And without a single spear or arrow or even blade.

Faith was the only siege engine that they built.
The victory would be God’s beyond any doubt.
Pottery, torch, and horn alone – no blood would be spilt.
Only the hand of God could be credited for the rout.

In a burst of 300 horns: a thunderous craze.
The bravest led by Gideon descended and engaged
Amid crashes of the jars and torches all ablaze.
Midian woke, confused and stunned by Gideon’s enraged.

In terror they retreated, fighting themselves as they ran.
Killing each other for they lived by the sword.
The enemy defeated by God’s incredible plan.
… Therefore… confidently … trust the peace and protection offered by the Lord


Copyright (c) 2007 Daniel Partlow (me)
 

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Kind of a long read. Honestly didn't make it past #2.

But in answer to your title, no, the message of Christ isn't pacifism, it's love. Love for the Father, love for the children. Sometimes you have to take action to defend the defenseless. It should be rare, and always in consultation with God, but sometimes violence is warranted.

But in a conflict, we should never gloat, never look down upon our enemies, never belittle them or their practices, and pray for them as well as our own. That is the mark of a Christian: knowing when something's wrong, standing up to it, and still loving your enemy even as he fights you.

Wars for gain, whether political or monetary, are unjust. Nationalism and greed are slowly replacing the Gospel as the Truth.
 
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Depart said: "I wasn't sure, there are a lot of wars in the Bible - but it only seems to be 'OK' when it is a direct order from God through the office of the Prophet. Today's wars have no such commission."

I didn't read most of your Post, but I will respond.

There were a lot of wars in the Bible, and some of them were not OK'd by Prophets.
So, the premise of your statement is unclear.

And, even assuming that all Bible wars WERE OK'd like that, what does this have to do with wars today (or even 2000 years ago)?

What if a Prophet had come to Dubya, and said: "God told me to tell you, it's OK to invade Iraq."
Would this make you happy about it?
(Hmm, I wonder if Wolfowitz is a Prophet.)

Is what you are trying to say: "Only God should decide when people should go to war."?

In a totally Christian world that might make sense.
But what happens when a Country is attacked by another Country?
Should THEY refuse to fight back to protect themselves?
 
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The message of Christ is not pacifism. It's peace. This is difficult because very often pro-war and anti-war positions really aren't particularly Christian at all. Some believe no war to be justifiable, and seem even to reject the notion that a ruler "does not bear the sword in vain" (Rom. 13:4). Others seem too ready to embrace war (some even love it passionately), and seem to reject the Christian's calling to be a peacemaker. Honestly, for most of us, if we examine our nations' modern wars, it should be obvious in light of Scripture and the Christian just war theory that they are almost never just wars. Our political language has been structured to provide justification for the utterly unjustifiable. It sickens me to the core to see people, even Christians, cheering and excitement, rather than regret (even when the killing is just!), when men made in the image of God are tortured or killed. I am far more sympathetic to anti-war movements, but there too I see much anti-Christian attitude.
 
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I know it's long - but 6&7 are probably the best (poetically anyway). I have to say that when I began my research a year ago I was definitely in the Just War camp. But the more I thought about it, read, and prayed - the less I believed in that doctrine. Faith (that He will defend us) and Mercy - and especially the 'whatever you do - even for the least' passage - changed my mind.
 
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The message of Christ is not pacifism. It's peace. This is difficult because very often pro-war and anti-war positions really aren't particularly Christian at all. Some believe no war to be justifiable, and seem even to reject the notion that a ruler "does not bear the sword in vain" (Rom. 13:4). Others seem too ready to embrace war (some even love it passionately), and seem to reject the Christian's calling to be a peacemaker. Honestly, for most of us, if we examine our nations' modern wars, it should be obvious in light of Scripture and the Christian just war theory that they are almost never just wars. Our political language has been structured to provide justification for the utterly unjustifiable. It sickens me to the core to see people, even Christians, cheering and excitement, rather than regret (even when the killing is just!), when men made in the image of God are tortured or killed. I am far more sympathetic to anti-war movements, but there too I see much anti-Christian attitude.
Believe you me -- I'm not 100% comfortable with the anti-war camp - I am much more comfortable on the right and I think the right has better intentions on most issues. But I think the right should take a hard look at itsself on this issue and consider whether we really have a consistent message on the sactity of life.
 
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I used to consider myself a pacifist, until I was criticized for being a non-pacifist for defending pacifism. In the minds of some, pacifism has become equated with passiveism , in which people allow themselves to be walked all over. Some would even say that to verbally defend something is a breech of pacifism.

From my side of the fence, true pacifism is the act of actively pursuing alternatives to warlike confrontation by means such as civil disobedience, dialog, and diplomacy. In fact, I would say that pacifism is an exact opposite of passiveism. This type of pacifism, I think, is very much a major part of Christ's social message.

For the record, I voted "Yes - Because today's wars don't meet 'just war' criteria".
 
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Believe you me -- I really do not enjoy most of the Anti-war company - I am much more comfortable on the right and I think the right has better intentions on most issues. But I think the right should take a hard look at itsself on this issue and consider whether we really have a consistent message on the sactity of life.

This is one of the major problems of the issue. You have confused anti-war with the left, and that just ain't so. It's true that the left has its own anti-war tradition, but conservatism (real conservatism, not talk radio conservatism) has its own anti-war history. War is one of the most liberal things a government can do, as made especially evident by the ease with which government grows and extends its influence during wartime. It's not so much a matter of right vs. left (a bunch anti-war folk, Ron Paul for instance, are far to the right of most "right-wingers").
 
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I can't vote on this poll.

First of all, which wars? Most wars are unjust, and there are plenty going on right now, so chances are that one of them is unjust. The Second Congo War certainly is. And just from whose perspective? The Iraq War can't be just; the Coalition can be just or unjust and the insurgency can be just or unjust, but the war innevitable is unjust because two just sides can't possibly fight each other, since a just war is specifically waged to correct an injustice.

But moreover, I can't vote on this poll because the message of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ is that he has taken our exile upon his shoulders in his death and raised us to new life in the resurrection.
 
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Pacifism is a term most commonly used by those who promote violence as a way to peace. There is no such thing as a "just war". To wage war for nationalism is to sit in judgment of others. That is against Christianity, regardless of how many churches agree with it.
Chaos is not the path to peace.
To look at the question from a larger perspective, peace on earth is not the ultimate goal, becoming a part of the Kingdom of Heaven is. "Pacifism" is what gets you there. If you love this life you will lose the next. Fear God, for only he has the power to let you enter. Do not fear what may happen to you in this life.
The struggle for good and evil is really a battle being waged on a personal level. "Just war" has no meaning. Aggression is a manifestation of politics. Politics have no place in the Kingdom of Heaven.
I prefer to think of pacifism as the means to unity and equality for all. The true path to peace.
"For God so loved the world, He gave his only begotten son. That whosoever should believeth in him, should have everlasting life."
God created us for love, so to truly "be all you can be", be a part of Gods' love. It's the same yesterday, today and forever.
 
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I don't think Jesus teaches us to be pacifists, not to the point that we wont protect ourselves,our families and our interests anyways.

He teaches us to choose kindness and love over violence and hate but this is not pacifism ,this is living.

A real pacifist will never fight to protect anything. I'm a Christian and I'll never stand by and let harm be done to my family or myself, i am no pacifist and will fight to protect what i love,i wont fight for the sake of fighting.
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I picked the last option ( I am the only one , so far ) . Now , I don't agree that *all* of today's current wars are "just" . But , some are . I look at war in two ways . One way is that I am going to war to get something for *me* . The other is to protect or defend others . The former , I would say *does* disagree with Christianity while the other agrees with it . To protect the helpless is a just cause .
 
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I don't think Jesus teaches us to be pacifists, not to the point that we wont protect ourselves,our families and our interests anyways.

He teaches us to choose kindness and love over violence and hate but this is not pacifism ,this is living.

A real pacifist will never fight to protect anything. I'm a Christian and I'll never stand by and let harm be done to my family or myself, i am no pacifist and will fight to protect what i love,i wont fight for the sake of fighting.
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though i'd call myself a pacifist, i'm with dana3262. i think there is a line to be drawn as to when action must be taken.
 
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I wasn't sure, there are a lot of wars in the bible - but it only seems to be 'OK' when it is a direct order from God through the office of the Prophet. Today's wars have no such commission.

Why don't we consider what Jesus said? I'd rank that above some poetic passages from the Koran or the Bagavad Gita.

Blessed are those who WORK FOR Peace (Sermon on the Mount)...but also,

Greater Love has no man but that he lay down his life for his friends. ( John 15.13)

(Is this not what the soldier does?).
 
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(Is this not what the soldier does?).

depends who and what the soldier is fighting for.

Well, of course!

No one is saying that every war is just. But is there such a thing as a just war? Jesus seems to indicate that there is and that is all that I'm saying.
 
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(Is this not what the soldier does?).



Well, of course!

No one is saying that every war is just. But is there such a thing as a just war? Jesus seems to indicate that there is and that is all that I'm saying.
We also have to realize that much of our Lord's words against violence were likely directed against the anti-Roman revolutionary movement and its policy of armed resistance. Our Lord knew not that they were doomed to failure, but that their entire plan of action was wrongheaded. The exile would not ended by reestablishing Israel as a national entity under a warrior-messiah; it would end by our Lord taking it on his own shoulders on the cross and restoring the people of God in the resurrection.

His words do not speak against just wars at all, but they speak against every single kind of holy war.
 
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