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"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident." Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher, 1788-1860
is your siggy less insulting taken not from the Bible but from some atheist philosopher?
What is "flaunting" is your ridiculous insults and flames... also getting this thread off topic.
I have disproved your false Sabbath doctrine. So now you have gone from smearing the pope (what happened to that post by the way) to baiting this poor girl. This is beneath what a Christian should be.Such as?
Matt 19: 16-22: And someone came to Him and said, "Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may obtain eternal life?" And He said to him, "Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but (Q)if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments." Then he said to Him, "Which ones?" And Jesus said, "YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT MURDER; YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY; YOU SHALL NOT STEAL; YOU SHALL NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS; HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER; and YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF." The young man said to Him, "All these things I have kept; what am I still lacking?" Jesus said to him, "If you wish to be complete, go and sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me." But when the young man heard this statement, he went away grieving; for he was one who owned much property.
Oh, and while we're at it, we'll take a little peak at pre-Constatine history. The early Church Fathers compared the observance of the Sabbath to the observance of the rite of circumcision, and from that they demonstrated that if the apostles abolished circumcision (Gal. 5:1-6), so also the observance of the Sabbath must have been abolished. The following quotations show that the first Christians understood this principle and gathered for worship on Sunday.
The Didache
"But every Lord’s day . . . gather yourselves together and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure. But let no one that is at variance with his fellow come together with you, until they be reconciled, that your sacrifice may not be profaned" (Didache 14 [A.D. 70]).
The Letter of Barnabas
"We keep the eighth day [Sunday] with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead" (Letter of Barnabas 15:6–8 [A.D. 74]).
Ignatius of Antioch
"[T]hose who were brought up in the ancient order of things [i.e. Jews] have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord’s day, on which also our life has sprung up again by him and by his death" (Letter to the Magnesians 8 [A.D. 110]).
Justin Martyr
"[W]e too would observe the fleshly circumcision, and the Sabbaths, and in short all the feasts, if we did not know for what reason they were enjoined [on] you—namely, on account of your transgressions and the hardness of your heart. . . . [H]ow is it, Trypho, that we would not observe those rites which do not harm us—I speak of fleshly circumcision and Sabbaths and feasts? . . . God enjoined you to keep the Sabbath, and imposed on you other precepts for a sign, as I have already said, on account of your unrighteousness and that of your fathers . . ." (Dialogue with Trypho the Jew 18, 21 [A.D. 155]).
"But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Savior on the same day rose from the dead" (First Apology 67 [A.D. 155]).
Tertullian
"[L]et him who contends that the Sabbath is still to be observed as a balm of salvation, and circumcision on the eighth day . . . teach us that, for the time past, righteous men kept the Sabbath or practiced circumcision, and were thus rendered ‘friends of God.’ For if circumcision purges a man, since God made Adam uncircumcised, why did he not circumcise him, even after his sinning, if circumcision purges? . . . Therefore, since God originated Adam uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, consequently his offspring also, Abel, offering him sacrifices, uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, was by him [God] commended [Gen. 4:1–7, Heb. 11:4]. . . . Noah also, uncircumcised—yes, and unobservant of the Sabbath—God freed from the deluge. For Enoch too, most righteous man, uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, he translated from this world, who did not first taste death in order that, being a candidate for eternal life, he might show us that we also may, without the burden of the law of Moses, please God" (An Answer to the Jews 2 [A.D. 203]).
The Didascalia
"The apostles further appointed: On the first day of the week let there be service, and the reading of the holy scriptures, and the oblation [sacrifice of the Mass], because on the first day of the week [i.e., Sunday] our Lord rose from the place of the dead, and on the first day of the week he arose upon the world, and on the first day of the week he ascended up to heaven, and on the first day of the week he will appear at last with the angels of heaven" (Didascalia 2 [A.D. 225]).
Origen
"Hence it is not possible that the [day of] rest after the Sabbath should have come into existence from the seventh [day] of our God. On the contrary, it is our Savior who, after the pattern of his own rest, caused us to be made in the likeness of his death, and hence also of his resurrection" (Commentary on John 2:28 [A.D. 229]).
Victorinus
"The sixth day [Friday] is called parasceve, that is to say, the preparation of the kingdom. . . . On this day also, on account of the passion of the Lord Jesus Christ, we make either a station to God or a fast. On the seventh day he rested from all his works, and blessed it, and sanctified it. On the former day we are accustomed to fast rigorously, that on the Lord’s day we may go forth to our bread with giving of thanks. And let the parasceve become a rigorous fast, lest we should appear to observe any Sabbath with the Jews . . . which Sabbath he [Christ] in his body abolished" (The Creation of the World [A.D. 300]).
Eusebius of Caesarea
"They [the early saints of the Old Testament] did not care about circumcision of the body, neither do we [Christians]. They did not care about observing Sabbaths, nor do we. They did not avoid certain kinds of food, neither did they regard the other distinctions which Moses first delivered to their posterity to be observed as symbols; nor do Christians of the present day do such things" (Church History 1:4:8 [A.D. 312]).
"[T]he day of his [Christ’s] light . . . was the day of his resurrection from the dead, which they say, as being the one and only truly holy day and the Lord’s day, is better than any number of days as we ordinarily understand them, and better than the days set apart by the Mosaic law for feasts, new moons, and Sabbaths, which the apostle [Paul] teaches are the shadow of days and not days in reality" (Proof of the Gospel 4:16:186 [A.D. 319]).
The Didache
"But every Lord’s day . . . gather yourselves together and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure. But let no one that is at variance with his fellow come together with you, until they be reconciled, that your sacrifice may not be profaned" (Didache 14 [A.D. 70]).
I'll ask you the same questions regarding Sunday sacredness and the catholic church's admission that they changed the sabbath from saturday to sunday....
What does this prove? That the sabbath was not being observed after Christ death? I have news for you. The sabbath was not being observed before Christs death and it is one of the reasons that God sent the Children of Israel into exile. Perhaps you'd like to argue that point as well?
Isa 56:2 Blessed [is] the man [that] doeth this, and the son of man [that] layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.
Jer 17:27 But if ye will not hearken unto me to hallow the sabbath day, and not to bear a burden, even entering in at the gates of Jerusalem on the sabbath day; then will I kindle a fire in the gates thereof, and it shall devour the palaces of Jerusalem, and it shall not be quenched.
Murder has been going on before and after the cross. Does that make it right?
Stealing has been going on before and after the cross. Does that make it right?
Lying has been going on before and after the cross. Does that make it right?
Idol worship has been going on before and after the cross. Does that make it right?
Adultery has been going on before and after the cross. Does that make it right?
Coveting has been going on before and after the cross. Does that make it right?
Using the Lord's name in vain has been going on before and after the cross. Does that make it right?
Dishonoring parents has been going on before and after the cross. Does that make it right?
The fallacy of your argument is simple. Assuming something has changed based on the ignoring of God's word doesn't make something right.
I just caught that untrue statement. Get the facts straight. The Catholic Church did not "change the sabbath from saturday to sunday." The Catechism specifically says that "Sunday is expressly distinguished from the sabbath which it follows chronologically every week." Now, you said that you have read the Catechism, which means you read that line which means you have purposely made a false statement. Why do you feel the need to make fase statements to support you your false doctrine? Oh, I guess I just answered my own question.
CCC 2175 - Sunday is expressly distinguished from the sabbath which it follows chronologically every week; for Christians its ceremonial observance replaces that of the sabbath. In Christ's Passover, Sunday fulfills the spiritual truth of the Jewish sabbath and announces man's eternal rest in God. For worship under the Law prepared for the mystery of Christ, and what was done there prefigured some aspects of Christ
Catechism Of The Catholic Church:
http://www.vatican.va/archive/catechism/p3s2c1a3.htm
Again, been there done that.
The fact of the matter is that the RCC has a catechism for the laity and one for the initiates....
That is not a fact. In fact, that is a blatant falsehood. You keep quoting little magazine articles that are not official doctrine. And you have compiled a hodgepodge of Encyclopedia articles which are irellevant, plus quotes of quotes of quotes in books that cannot be referrenced, plus the odd errent statement by a bishop or priest here and there. All of which adds up to squat.
I skimmed through that pile of nonsense and could refute every quote if I wanted to. But since you have demostrated the propensity to make vile attacks (which the staff has apparently deleted - mighty Christian of you there), and demostrated the willingness to make untrue statements, not to mention insulting that poor sweet girl Philiothei, I feel no need to demostrate the facts to someone who is not interested in the facts.
Good day to you sir.
Certain animals may not be eaten at all. This restriction includes the flesh, organs, eggs and milk of the forbidden animals.
Of the animals that may be eaten, the birds and mammals must be killed in accordance with Jewish law.
All blood must be drained from the meat or broiled out of it before it is eaten.
Certain parts of permitted animals may not be eaten.
Fruits and vegetables are permitted, but must be inspected for bugs
Meat (the flesh of birds and mammals) cannot be eaten with dairy. Fish, eggs, fruits, vegetables and grains can be eaten with either meat or dairy. (According to some views, fish may not be eaten with meat).
Utensils that have come into contact with meat may not be used with dairy, and vice versa. Utensils that have come into contact with non-kosher food may not be used with kosher food. This applies only where the contact occurred while the food was hot.
Grape products made by non-Jews may not be eaten....
Also do you walk to the Church on Saturdays? Do you work on Saturday?
In order to talk about Sabbath practice you have to see if you practice all the law then...
I do not see anywhere in your websites that states that you practice any kosher law or/ and stoning anyone who does not observe the Sabbath.. I am curious though as to why you who follow the Law do not "stone" those of you who disobey and do not keep the Sabbath Holy....
Come on, still no takers?
If these things can't be refuted than maybe that's telling us we need to repent and start remembering to keep the Sabbath holy as God commands.
Anyone who takes a little time to read their Bibles will soon begin to see that God desires and longs for a people who will keep His commandments because they love Him.
1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.
Anyone who says they know God yet they don't keep His commandments doesn't really know Him.
1 John 2:3-4 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. He who says, "I know Him,'' and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
What are your thoughts?
RND:
"I am surprised that this board allows you have something in your signature that so blatantly denies the work of Jesus Christ in the Heavenly Sanctuary."
GE:
Haai,
Did you know, Jesus Christ IS, 'The Heavenly Sanctuary'? Did you know, "His NAME, IS, HOLY OF THE HOLIES"?
I would love to hear from you!
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