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That part is still bordering me. Was hoping some of our Jewish friends can give a better answer. Is there any thing in the oral Torah that would help? TG would just jump in and put himself between the Canaanites and the Israel army.
It would bother me too when I was a catholic.
Ok, that is fine, and I am keen to see you get the understanding you claim to desire. So, I think that if you can answer this question then the answer to your OP will become more obvious: what is a god?
It must borders our Jewish friends as well. I hope he is researching the oral torah right now.
But God's way can be strange, in the Cain killed Abel but God still helped the killer.... My only other explanation is, people without the spirit of God are just machines, without moral and feeling, only programed to do certain things. In another word, bio machines. So maybe the Canaanites are all machines (sort of like ISIS, did you see how they kill people? Maybe they are people without souls).
That is better than saying the question doesn't make sense, and I can see that it seems to be true. So you now know that you require an understanding that you don't have, and it is my expectation that until you have that understanding, you will not be able to obtain the fullness of understanding that you are seeking. But you don't need to have an answer to my question straight away, it is perfectly reasonable to go about finding the best answer. So I encourage you to do that, meanwhile I might just watch everyone else try and get you to understand what they want you to understand.Mate, no matter how many times you ask, I simply cannot answer.
I have no idea of how to define gods.
As God means so many different things to so many different people and as there is no one definition of God that can be tested, I cannot answer the question.
TCMD - I have read the bible with an open mind and twice at that.
An open mind is someone without a belief that they feel a need to justify, by definition christians are closed minded.
I am willing and open to following the evidence to a rational conclusion. the problem with god claims is that there is no evidence, that I have seen.
Do you have any?
No - you are wrong.
The bible is consistently racist, misogynist and violent.
Are you sure that you have read it?
The extermination of the Canaanites seems to disagree with your interpretation of the bible.
An open minded Person is One who doesn't come to the table with a strong bias toward their current status and who is totally willing to go where the evidence leads...even if it means giving up their complete autonomy that includes how they live. It is a total surrender of the will because of sound logical and reasonable evidence .
People say they are willing and open to go toward a rational conclusion...but they stop right there IF they even get that far. They don't go the next vital step because its too much of a live change to what theyre used to.
Yes, I have plenty of good rationale evidence for the Biblical personal theistic Creator from modern science without opening the pages of the Bible. But its always been available to People, especially now with the Internet . So :
a. What have you done to get this information ?
b. Have you concluded that an atheist worldview and origins is logic and reasonable ?
c. How did you get to the place of wanting to be an atheist ?
d. What are the personal benefits to you wanting to be an atheist ?
e. Have you encountered any major problems believing in an atheist worldview/origins or does it make total sense to you ?
PLEASE answer these questions, so I understand more where you are coming from.
a. What have you done to get this information ?
b. Have you concluded that an atheist worldview and origins is logic and reasonable ?
c. How did you get to the place of wanting to be an atheist?
d. What are the personal benefits to you wanting to be an atheist?
e. Have you encountered any major problems believing in an atheist worldview/origins or does it make total sense to you ?
Have a read of Jerry Dewitt's book "Hope After Faith" where he says he was dragged kicking and screaming out of belief.
If we follow the evidence (or lack of, in this case), to the rational conclusion, we must withhold belief in the existence of gods.
LOL! Not according to Lee Strobel, or Josh McDowell, or C.S. Lewis - all of whom had the exact opposite experience of Jerry Dewitt. They all set out to defeat the Christian worldview and found instead that the evidence for it was too strong to do anything but accept it. Even Antony Flew, one of the most prominent and outspoken atheists of the twentieth century, was pressed to theism (though not to Christianity) by the evidence for such a belief.
Now I wonder if I can trust you.
Antony Flew became a deist. Not a theist.
And it hypothesised that it was as a result of a brain injury.
If Lee Strobel, or Josh McDowell, or C.S. Lewis were really convinced, as you say, I would like to see and evaluate that evidence.
Wonder as you like.You are right, though: Flew would be better described as a deist. Regardless, my point in mentioning him remains unaffected.
Yes...hypothesized. The only ones I have encountered who have suggested this with any seriousness are, as one would expect, those who have the most to lose by his change of view.
They all have books recounting their journeys from atheism to belief in God. Google it.
Wonder as you like.You are right, though: Flew would be better described as a deist. Regardless, my point in mentioning him remains unaffected.
Antony Flew said:His God was strictly minimalist – very different from "the monstrous oriental despots of the religions of Christianity and Islam", as he liked to call them.
Wonder as you like.So, you do not want to admit your error?You are right, though: Flew would be better described as a deist. Regardless, my point in mentioning him remains unaffected.
It appeared to be important to you when you mentioned Jerry Dewitt.I struggle to see why this is important.
People change their minds all the time.
World-wide? I think not.On that point, the number of people that are deconverting from religion is growing rapidly, especially among youth.
If there is a "tsunami" of deconversion from religion in one place there is a "tsunami" of conversion in another. Especially conversion to Christianity is exploding in South America, Africa and China.One person going the other way is a drop in the tsunami.
"You are right, though: Flew would be better described as a deist."
Will you acknowledge that the change in descriptors makes no difference to my point?
It appeared to be important to you when you mentioned Jerry Dewitt.
World-wide? I think not.
If there is a "tsunami" of deconversion from religion in one place there is a "tsunami" of conversion in another. Especially conversion to Christianity is exploding in South America, Africa and China.
If christianity is the "truth" why do people have be indoctrinated to believe in it?
It makes the world of difference.
You totally misrepresented Flew's position.
I think you should withdraw the comment and apologise.
It appeared to be important to you when you mentioned Jerry Dewitt.
No, you are now misrepresenting my post.
I was challenging your assertion that people would want to choose to an atheist.
Please address that.
World-wide? I think not.I did not say world-wide.
Quit the strawman arguments please.
If christianity is the "truth" why do people have be indoctrinated to believe in it?
I assume that:
- most christians believe in a single one god (monotheism); and
- that this god is the christian god.
In that case, how do you know that the gods in other monotheistic religions do not exist?
How do you know that there are not multiple gods (polytheism)?
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