Is the Bible really infallible?

SpockTheVulcan said:

Hello everyone. I have always been raised a Baptist, but went non-denominational for a couple of years before returning to the Baptist denomination.

I have recently (as in about a couple of months ago) started rededicating my life to Christ and I feel like He is leading me.

On another site, I got in a debate with an Eastern Orthodox Christian over sound doctrine. It seems that there are many Christians, even in Protestant denominations who believe in theistic evolution, I even met a Baptist who support evolution.

I have never been good with debates and I always lose, but I do not blindly follow my beliefs and I do know why I believe what I believe. I am an INTP.

One of the core tenets of Baptists is the inerrancy of the Scriptures. Catholics and Orthodox refute this by saying that there are so many versions of the bible and the only true infallible bible is the one written in Hebrew or Greek and since you do not know either of those, then how can you know what the bible really says?

The Orthodox guy said that just because the bible talks about humans being created does not mean that God wanted you to take it literally.

Now, I do not hate Catholics or Orthodox, but I do reject alot of their theology. I do think there are Catholics and Orthodox who are truly saved, and that Christ will judge you as an individual based on whether or not you accepted him regardless of what you identify as. The same applies to Baptists. There are some Baptists who go through the motions but have not accepted Christ. There is no one true church in my opinion, at least not anymore. I have met good people and bad people, smart people and stupid people in every group.

The thread I was debating on has a very vocal Orthodox and Roman Catholic and they seem more interested in bashing Protestants than actually debating Christianity.

So how do we know the Scriptures are infallible?

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Any Christian thatb is not Christian in name only knows it is perfect because we have the benefit of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit that testifies to it's accuracy.

Catholic believe the Bible is the Inspired Word of God and as such is infallible. If the Catholic you were debating left you with a different idea, he was gravely wrong.

SpockTheVulcan said:

Hello everyone. I have always been raised a Baptist, but went non-denominational for a couple of years before returning to the Baptist denomination.

I have recently (as in about a couple of months ago) started rededicating my life to Christ and I feel like He is leading me.

On another site, I got in a debate with an Eastern Orthodox Christian over sound doctrine. It seems that there are many Christians, even in Protestant denominations who believe in theistic evolution, I even met a Baptist who support evolution.

I have never been good with debates and I always lose, but I do not blindly follow my beliefs and I do know why I believe what I believe. I am an INTP.

One of the core tenets of Baptists is the inerrancy of the Scriptures. Catholics and Orthodox refute this by saying that there are so many versions of the bible and the only true infallible bible is the one written in Hebrew or Greek and since you do not know either of those, then how can you know what the bible really says?

The Orthodox guy said that just because the bible talks about humans being created does not mean that God wanted you to take it literally.

Now, I do not hate Catholics or Orthodox, but I do reject alot of their theology. I do think there are Catholics and Orthodox who are truly saved, and that Christ will judge you as an individual based on whether or not you accepted him regardless of what you identify as. The same applies to Baptists. There are some Baptists who go through the motions but have not accepted Christ. There is no one true church in my opinion, at least not anymore. I have met good people and bad people, smart people and stupid people in every group.

The thread I was debating on has a very vocal Orthodox and Roman Catholic and they seem more interested in bashing Protestants than actually debating Christianity.

So how do we know the Scriptures are infallible?

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Faith Brother .. I believe from the first letter to the last .. If you expect me to compromise you're barking up the wrong tree .. The more you believe the more you receive .. Let the dead bury the dead

4x4toy said:

Faith Brother .. I believe from the first letter to the last .. If you expect me to compromise you're barking up the wrong tree .. The more you believe the more you receive .. Let the dead bury the dead

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What are you waffling about?

Seriously though do you feel you were compromised in your faith somehow?

As the Holy Spirit inspired all of the writings (which I fully acknowledge) we have an inerrant word. The understanding and yes even translation of this can be difficult. And this, in my understanding, is where any 'error' possibly can happen.

Question: Is there a difference between believing an 'understanding' (I am thinking in terms of different festivals/worship methodologies) of scripture as opposed to believing the foundational truths of scripture?

SteveNZ said:

What are you waffling about?

Seriously though do you feel you were compromised in your faith somehow?

As the Holy Spirit inspired all of the writings (which I fully acknowledge) we have an inerrant word. The understanding and yes even translation of this can be difficult. And this, in my understanding, is where any 'error' possibly can happen.

Question: Is there a difference between believing an 'understanding' (I am thinking in terms of different festivals/worship methodologies) of scripture as opposed to believing the foundational truths of scripture?

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I do get carried away at times for which I don't apologize .. I don't waffle , I give the man my answer to his question which is by faith we can know the Bible is infallible .. We put the Word to the test and I don't believe you can see the miracles or the gifts of the Spirit if we pick and choose what we decide to believe or that it is fallible in the least .. And I think a big problem today is that there is too much compromise and unbelief .. That's just me , Peace ..

SpockTheVulcan said:

Hello everyone. I have always been raised a Baptist, but went non-denominational for a couple of years before returning to the Baptist denomination.

I have recently (as in about a couple of months ago) started rededicating my life to Christ and I feel like He is leading me.

On another site, I got in a debate with an Eastern Orthodox Christian over sound doctrine. It seems that there are many Christians, even in Protestant denominations who believe in theistic evolution, I even met a Baptist who support evolution.

I have never been good with debates and I always lose, but I do not blindly follow my beliefs and I do know why I believe what I believe. I am an INTP.

One of the core tenets of Baptists is the inerrancy of the Scriptures. Catholics and Orthodox refute this by saying that there are so many versions of the bible and the only true infallible bible is the one written in Hebrew or Greek and since you do not know either of those, then how can you know what the bible really says?

The Orthodox guy said that just because the bible talks about humans being created does not mean that God wanted you to take it literally.

Now, I do not hate Catholics or Orthodox, but I do reject alot of their theology. I do think there are Catholics and Orthodox who are truly saved, and that Christ will judge you as an individual based on whether or not you accepted him regardless of what you identify as. The same applies to Baptists. There are some Baptists who go through the motions but have not accepted Christ. There is no one true church in my opinion, at least not anymore. I have met good people and bad people, smart people and stupid people in every group.

The thread I was debating on has a very vocal Orthodox and Roman Catholic and they seem more interested in bashing Protestants than actually debating Christianity.

So how do we know the Scriptures are infallible?

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Modern versions encourage evolutionary theories, and many of the editors and translators were very evolutionary in their beliefs. You will find a huge percentage of people who believe in evolution and do not believe in the word of God being preserved in English, and in contrast a much larger percentage who believe the Biblical creation account while they uphold the King James Authorized Version as the word of God translated into English.

A lot of people who argue against the King James Bible are actually arguing against Biblical doctrines. They have to argue against the King James Bible because it is the strongest version which consistently holds solid doctrine to stand against any evolutionary theories being used or mixed with the Biblical creation account....and many other doctrines that are rejected by people described in the confrontations you have had with them.

The King James Bible is what is being outlawed as hate speech for consistent uncompromising language against sodomy and lesbianism, as well as for supporting Hell being a place of eternal torment in fire exactly as Jesus repeatedly described it. It's bad enough what the Bible says against homosexuality, but add the fire of Hell to that and you are guilty of a crime, "hate-speech" All modern versions water down doctrines, change words and omit verses so they can be tolerated, and they can be changed more if political correctness calls for it. The King James Bible can't be changed. They can take my King James Bible out of my dead hands, and that's pretty much how things are going in the world today.

We know the scriptures are infallible because it's God's word and He is infallible. Don't let "scholars' run you around on never ending rabbit trails in their unbelief. Some of them are godly born again believers who will uphold all sound doctrine of the faith and make a fairly good argument supporting the word of God as infallible while they say we have all we need and are close enough to the originals with what remains of them we have.
Most people who do not uphold the King James Bible do not uphold vital Biblical doctrines, and some of them make careers out of "scholarly" investigations and presentations of why they believe the King James Bible is not God's word. Those are the wolves in sheep's clothing, trying to destroy Biblical faith and deny Biblical doctrine.

4x4toy said:

Faith Brother .. I believe from the first letter to the last .. If you expect me to compromise you're barking up the wrong tree .. The more you believe the more you receive .. Let the dead bury the dead

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The Bible is either infallible or it is not, and no one’s faith can change that. The very same thing applies to the theory or evolution—it is either true or it is not, and no one’s faith can change that. Therefore, Christians study these issues to learn for themselves what is true, and what is not. The evidence currently available makes it very clear that the first eleven chapters of Genesis is a collection of severely redacted epic tales, sagas, myths, or legends—and nearly every Old Testament scholar publishing today in academic biblical journals holds that position. If that position is true, all of the references in the rest of the Bible to the people and events in Genesis 1-11 must be interpreted accordingly—and so they are today. Do these things mean that the Bible is fallible? No, they mean that the interpretation of it taught today in some pulpits is seriously wrong and that so-called Christian anti-evolution teachings are false and divisive propaganda.

God is not subject to man or to his ideas of truth vs. falsehood—or accuracy vs. inaccuracy. God sets His own standards and our part is to learn those standards and accept them.

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.

Bible=Gods Word.

It is infallible. Believe it.

First of all, I have been born and raised Baptist and I love God so much but just recently I am converting to Catholic. I just wanted to tell you this so you don't sense any bias or of course he would say that he's Catholic.

I read the Bible and I obviously love it. It's a great tool to live God like. Humans make mistakes though. We have free will. Humans sin. The Bible was compiled by humans. Also by the way the bible has 531 translations. That is a lot of languages and some words other languages have we don't have a word to explain that foreign word. Just for giggles. The german word Backpfeifengesicht means a face so ugly that it can be improved by being punched. In English we don't have a word that is even close to that definition. The books in it was made by humans through their own eyes of course with the help of God. Which means there are some things that could be missing from the Bible or even exaggerated. I'm not saying the whole Bible is wrong, but it was made by us humans and our emotions affect everything. Think about it.

Awakened Sin said:

First of all, I have been born and raised Baptist and I love God so much but just recently I am converting to Catholic. I just wanted to tell you this so you don't sense any bias or of course he would say that he's Catholic.

I read the Bible and I obviously love it. It's a great tool to live God like. Humans make mistakes though. We have free will. Humans sin. The Bible was compiled by humans. Also by the way the bible has 531 translations. That is a lot of languages and some words other languages have we don't have a word to explain that foreign word. Just for giggles. The german word Backpfeifengesicht means a face so ugly that it can be improved by being punched. In English we don't have a word that is even close to that definition. The books in it was made by humans through their own eyes of course with the help of God. Which means there are some things that could be missing from the Bible or even exaggerated. I'm not saying the whole Bible is wrong, but it was made by us humans and our emotions affect everything. Think about it.

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ok, This is a core belief of the Baptist that the bible is with out error, I don't know if you are aware but this is the baptist section and only baptist may debate core belief.

FreeinChrist said:

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Folks, this is the Baptist forum. The site rules include:

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I understand the staying on topic thing which I stopped and took to private messaging. Though I am confused though. Is my original post against the rules? I was just answering what the op was asking. I am not even sure you are talking about me. If you are explain to me on what I did wrong in a private message please!

FreeinChrist said:

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3. The 66 Books comprising the Scriptures are given by the verbal inspiration of God, and as such are the only and all sufficient, authoritative rule of faith. Given their divine origins, the Scriptures are without error as originally given.

So folks, please stay on topic and respect the fact that this is the Baptist forum.

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Thank you for spelling out that basic Baptist belief of the fact that the Scriptures are without error as originally given. This rule, this statement of faith, is agreed on 100% by those who believe the King James Bible is the scriptures as originally given preserved by God in English. Baptists who believe the Bible is infallible but contains error, lost documents, or inserted changes while the originals were lost and only copies remain still believe the Bible is infallible in the originals and that what remains of the Bible is close enough to the originals that it still is infallible. Baptist like myself who believe the scriptures are preserved for the English speaking world in the King James Bible and they are preserved without error are not excluded by the rule stating the scriptures are without error in the original writings as we wholeheartedly agree with that rule. That rule does not exclude Baptists from believing that the scriptures have been preserved by God in spite of human error and delivered by God to the English speaking world in the King James Bible. I believe that rule was worded the way it is worded so as not to exclude either position on the issue from public discourse related to the issue. The rule obviously does not forbid anybody from believing the scriptures have been preserved by God and given to the English speaking world in the King James Bible.

To clarify: The fact that the scriptures are inerrant in the original writings allows for two differing conclusions.

1) the originals are inerrant, and lost, so the Bible is infallible but not inerrant in any one version and all versions combined cannot produce one inerrant version
2) the originals are inerrant and lost, but God has preserved them for the English speaking world in the King James Authorized Version.

The Baptist statement of faith, the Niceen Creed, regarding the infallibility of scripture in the original writings does not exclude any Baptist or any other believer from believing God preserved those infallible and inerrant originals by His own desire to give them to the English speaking world in spite of human weakness, error, and mishap.

The danger in this matter is in forbidding freedom of speech on the differing conclusions derived from the statement of purpose for the Baptist forum regarding the preservation of scriptures as given in the original writings. If it is forbidden for me to say that I believe the Scriptures are without error as originally given, and I support that statement as the basis for believing the scriptures are preserved and given to me without error in the King James Bible, I'm at the wrong site.

The OP questions the infallibility of the Bible so it demands the question: which Bible?

The scriptures were not compiled as the Bible until after all of the books were written and all of the original writings were lost. So is the Bible really infallible or does it have errors today? By the Niceen Creed, we all believe it is infallible because it is inerrant in the original writings.

FreeinChrist said:

This is not a KJV only vs non KJV only thread.

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Thank you for pointing that out, and I wholeheartedly agree with you.

I am upholding the infallibilty of the Bible in agreement with the Niceen Creed. KJV only and non KJV only both support that position. Infallibility of the Bible is not a KJV only vs non KJV only issue.

God justifies truth.

yesyoushould said:

God justifies truth.

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? Truth is Justified.

Bluelion said:

? Truth is Justified.

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God is truth.



(First quoted by "Bluelion" with only a "?")

yesyoushould said:

God is truth.



(First quoted by "Bluelion" with only a "?")

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The Holy Spirit is also The Spirit of Truth, you are correct.