Is the Bible complete?

[Idea]

People use this scripture to claim that the Bible is complete.

Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

They say – don’t add to the scriptures – just keep the version that has gone through the apostasy… that has been edited, and rewritten…


Lost Books. The so-called lost books of the Bible are those documents that are mentioned in the Bible in such a way that it is evident they were considered authentic and valuable, but that are not found in the Bible today. Sometimes called missing scripture, they consist of at least the following: book of the Wars of the Lord (Num. 21:14); book of Jasher (Josh. 10:13; 2 Sam. 1:18); book of the acts of Solomon (1 Kgs. 11:41); book of Samuel the seer (1 Chr. 29:29); book of Gad the seer (1 Chr. 29:29); book of Nathan the prophet (1 Chr. 29:29; 2 Chr. 9:29); prophecy of Ahijah (2 Chr. 9:29); visions of Iddo the seer (2 Chr. 9:29; 12:15; 13:22); book of Shemaiah (2 Chr. 12:15); book of Jehu (2 Chr. 20:34); sayings of the seers (2 Chr. 33:19); an epistle of Paul to the Corinthians, earlier than our present 1 Corinthians (1 Cor. 5:9); possibly an earlier epistle to the Ephesians (Eph. 3:3); an epistle to the Church at Laodicea (Col. 4:16); and some prophecies of Enoch, known to Jude (Jude 1:14). To these rather clear references to inspired writings other than our current Bible may be added another list that has allusions to writings that may or may not be contained within our present text, but may perhaps be known by a different title; for example, the book of the covenant (Ex. 24:7), which may or may not be included in the current book of Exodus; the manner of the kingdom, written by Samuel (1 Sam. 10:25); the rest of the acts of Uzziah written by Isaiah (2 Chr. 26:22).

The foregoing items attest to the fact that our present Bible does not contain all of the word of the Lord that he gave to his people in former times, and remind us that the Bible, in its present form, is rather incomplete.


Deuteronomy 4:2Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.
People use this scripture to claim that the Bible is complete, but notice the reference – Deuteronomy - this was said to Moses – the rest of the Bible was added after this statement…

The King James version of the bible is not complete.

comments - if you lived during the time of Jesus, how would you decide what to include, and what not to include in the scriptures?

 

[Idea]

Here is my answer, I'll be back to hopefully see yours

How about this definition for what makes a scripture:
whatsoever they shall speak when moved upon by the Holy Ghost shall be scripture

How many have spoke under the influence of the Holy Ghost?
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

How many have “received the gift of the Holy Ghost”? I suspect that the world is filled with unlabeled scriptures.

 

[samiam1272]

Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

Umm, I beleive this is a translation of the scripture at the end of revelation?

Well, that scripture is refering to revelation as a letter. 1 complete article, or a book.
Remember Revelation was not bound in a book with other books when it was written.

However, we should not add to or take away from, or even change the word of God.
And if God wanted more of those other so called lost books in the bible, it would have come to pass.
But through the centuries, countless people and scolars have looked at this very question, and if it were not the Spirit guided outcome that we should have the books we have today and not other things like the gospel of judas for example, well, we would most likely have those things.

But the truth is, many wise men, wiser than any of us, and many spirit filled men and carefull scollars have helped bring about our cannon of scripture. Done so with the ability and guidance of God and his Spirit.
And when questioned and properly examined, many more will continue to come to the same agreement.
It is interesting that these books you speak of have references in scripture though. I will try and look up those scriptures when I get home.
Is the Bible complete? Complete enough to give us all we need yes. Could there be more added later from past "lost' books? I dont know, I guess that would be up to the Holy Spirit.

 

[dayhiker]

The verse about not adding to or subtracting from scritpure occurs twice to my knowledge. Once in Duet.4, and then in Rev. as pointed out above. So it seems of the Jews or the early Christians took the Dt.2 verse serious in this way we wouldn't have any more books past Dt.

There is one problem with saying that scholars have determined a Bible is that this isn't fully agreed to. The RCC has several more books than the Prodestants have. I don't know much about the Orthodox church but did hear once that they have a different book or two.

The problem with listing old books that are mentioned in the Bible and saying there are looks books of the Bible as if they are God's word that we should have in our Bible is that just writting a book 2000+ years ago doesn't make it a book God inspired.

I'm sure there are not only these books that are mentioned in the Bible that are lost. But I bet there are books not mentioned in the Bible that helped form the Bible that are also lost. Just a guess.

dayhiker

 

[Idea]

"Could there be more added later from past "lost' books? I dont know, I guess that would be up to the Holy Spirit."

So you are partially open to the idea that the scriptures might be increased? Might I suggest that we are now living during a time in which many lost books are now available to us... Some are ficion, but I think if you take the time to read, the Holy Spirit will let you know that some are scripture.

 

[Idea]

Joshua 10:13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher?

Don’t know about you – but I sure would like to read about that one!


1 Kings 11:41 And the rest of the acts of Solomon, and all that he did, and his wisdom, are they not written in the book of the acts of Solomon?

You don’t want to learn more about Solomon?

1 Chronicles 29:29 Now the acts of David the king, first and last, behold, they are written in the book of Samuel the seer, and in the book of Nathan the prophet, and in the book of Gad the seer,

what is a seer?
2 Samuel 24:11 For when David was up in the morning, the word of the LORD came unto the prophet Gad, David's seer,

a seer is a prophet – these are not just ho-hum fiction books – these are books written by prophets that are now lost.

2 Chronicles 9:29 Now the rest of the acts of Solomon, first and last, are they not written in the book of Nathan the prophet, and in the prophecy of Ahijah the Shilonite, and in the visions of Iddo the seer against Jeroboam the son of Nebat?

Once again, these are books written by prophets.

2 Chronicles 12:15 Now the acts of Rehoboam, first and last, are they not written in the book of Shemaiah the prophet, and of Iddo the seer concerning genealogies? And there were wars between Rehoboam and Jeroboam continually.

Prophets write scripture… I wish I could read these, and many other books.

 

[CShephard53]

I'd be more apt to read the annals of Judah.

 

[ContentInHim]

Deuteronomy4:2Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.
People use this scripture to claim that the Bible is complete, but notice the reference – Deuteronomy - this was said to Moses – the rest of the Bible was added after this statement…

Deuteronomy 4:2 is speaking of adding to Torah or the Law. The first 5 books of the OT are Torah. The Law is defined within them. God is saying "Don't add to or take away from my instructions as to how you are to live". This is exactly what the Pharisees did when they added a fence around Torah for the good reason not to break the covenant but their fence was horrendously difficult to obey! Do not add or subtract from God's instructions!

 

[Idea]

Content - I agree - and the script in Rev. has the same meaning. Don't twist the words of any prophet. Does not say that God will never reaveal any more scripture to mankind though.

This is in the Bible:

Revelation 12:7 And there was war in heaven…
Luke 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

This is not in your Bible, but should be:

Moses 4:1 - 4
1 AND I, the Lord God, spake unto Moses, saying: That Satan, whom thou hast commanded in the name of mine Only Begotten, is the same which was from the beginning, and he came before me, saying—Behold, here am I, send me, I will be thy son, and I will redeem all mankind, that one soul shall not be lost, and surely I will do it; wherefore give me thine honor.
2 But, behold, my Beloved Son, which was my Beloved and Chosen from the beginning, said unto me—Father, thy will be done, and the glory be thine forever.
3 Wherefore, because that Satan rebelled against me, and sought to destroy the agency of man, which I, the Lord God, had given him, and also, that I should give unto him mine own power; by the power of mine Only Begotten, I caused that he should be cast down;
4 And he became Satan, yea, even the devil, the father of all lies, to deceive and to blind men, and to lead them captive at his will, even as many as would not hearken unto my voice.

What would it take to save all mankind? It would take turning us all into robots without free will – and this was something God was unwilling to do. Those who followed Satan did so to avoid the pain having free will brings.

Pretty interesting stuff huh?

 

[ContentInHim]

I'll say, Idea! Thanks!

Where would I find info on the book of Moses? I've never heard of it.

 

[Idea]

How open minded are you?
http://foru.ms/t6151063

 

[Idea]

OK – not trying to be overly dramatic- just really really tired of those who are prejudiced. Read them with an open mind.

Moses is from the Pearl of Great Price

http://scriptures.lds.org/

remember - open mind everyone!
Thanks for reading

 

[lincolngreen50]

People use this scripture to claim that the Bible is complete.

Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

They say – don’t add to the scriptures – just keep the version that has gone through the apostasy… that has been edited, and rewritten…


Lost Books. The so-called lost books of the Bible are those documents that are mentioned in the Bible in such a way that it is evident they were considered authentic and valuable, but that are not found in the Bible today. Sometimes called missing scripture, they consist of at least the following: book of the Wars of the Lord (Num. 21:14); book of Jasher (Josh. 10:13; 2 Sam. 1:18); book of the acts of Solomon (1 Kgs. 11:41); book of Samuel the seer (1 Chr. 29:29); book of Gad the seer (1 Chr. 29:29); book of Nathan the prophet (1 Chr. 29:29; 2 Chr. 9:29); prophecy of Ahijah (2 Chr. 9:29); visions of Iddo the seer (2 Chr. 9:29; 12:15; 13:22); book of Shemaiah (2 Chr. 12:15); book of Jehu (2 Chr. 20:34); sayings of the seers (2 Chr. 33:19); an epistle of Paul to the Corinthians, earlier than our present 1 Corinthians (1 Cor. 5:9); possibly an earlier epistle to the Ephesians (Eph. 3:3); an epistle to the Church at Laodicea (Col. 4:16); and some prophecies of Enoch, known to Jude (Jude 1:14). To these rather clear references to inspired writings other than our current Bible may be added another list that has allusions to writings that may or may not be contained within our present text, but may perhaps be known by a different title; for example, the book of the covenant (Ex. 24:7), which may or may not be included in the current book of Exodus; the manner of the kingdom, written by Samuel (1 Sam. 10:25); the rest of the acts of Uzziah written by Isaiah (2 Chr. 26:22).

The foregoing items attest to the fact that our present Bible does not contain all of the word of the Lord that he gave to his people in former times, and remind us that the Bible, in its present form, is rather incomplete.


Deuteronomy4:2Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.
People use this scripture to claim that the Bible is complete, but notice the reference – Deuteronomy - this was said to Moses – the rest of the Bible was added after this statement…

The King James version of the bible is not complete.

comments - if you lived during the time of Jesus, how would you decide what to include, and what not to include in the scriptures?

NKJV Rev 22;!8_19

For I testify to everyone,who hears The Words of the Prophecy of this book:if anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book and if anyone takes away from The Words of the Book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life from the Holy City and from the things which are written in this Book.

The Holy spirit inspired the writers of this book to write Gods Word.In a similar way The Holy Spirit inspired editing of the Bible itself.
And what we had as a result was the Holy Word of God in its entirity
WE are warned not to add or delete any of Gods Word from the book.

 

[CShephard53]

OK – not trying to be overly dramatic- just really really tired of those who are prejudiced. Read them with an open mind.

Moses is from the Pearl of Great Price

http://scriptures.lds.org/

remember - open mind everyone!
Thanks for reading

Why would we read them with an open mind? Or why would we need to, hmm? Worried we'll see that it's illogical? Unbacked?

 

[stranger]

How many have “received the gift of the Holy Ghost”? I suspect that the world is filled with unlabeled scriptures.

Jesus tells us how many will have recvieved the spirit by the time of his return, just 144,000 .... just some 14 in every mllion that ever lived ... few find the strait narrow way in this first life , not many ...

 

[Touma]

To say that the bible is all the words that God will give to man is greatly limiting God to 2000 years ago, and making him real far away from humans.

Neither are true. God is ever near. So is his Holy Spirit. If we have that, then we have the Word, which is eternal.

 

[BigNorsk]

I would ask also that you examine with an open mind if the book of Moses should be scripture.

Let's see what we know about it.

The self proclaimed prophet, Joseph Smith, saw some papyrus manuscripts written in Egyptian hieroglyphics. He proclaimed that the one was written by Moses himself and that he translated it into English as the book of Moses.

Easy claim for someone to make in a time from before the hieroglyphics were easily read by many people.

Now we have Joseph Smith's "translation", and we actually have the originals. What do we find? We find the scroll was not what Joseph Smith said it was, we find that it does not even say anything like what he said it said.

So we are not left with a prophet giving a scripture, but rather a fraud. A fraud easily seen by anyone who examines Joseph Smith's stories.

If the criteria for what is scripture is to be so low we should include every book ever written.

Marv

 

[stranger]

To say that the bible is all the words that God will give to man is greatly limiting God to 2000 years ago, and making him real far away from humans.

Neither are true. God is ever near. So is his Holy Spirit. If we have that, then we have the Word, which is eternal.

God is indeed ever near and reminds us with our consciences when we disobey His law of love...

This makes no difference though to most men, men reject god every time we sin , every time we ignore our consciences

2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

The only escape from the slavery si induces in us, to sin again because we already told God to shut up by sinning against his reminder, is the grace that he offeres to the few He reqires from this world, or death which He offers to the many to free them from sin, as it's 'wages' to them...

Romans 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

Thus God is ever near and yet could not be further from sinners until they are freed from sin, because most men spit in God's face every day by ignoring their consciences and following the traditions of men, even inside religion...

 

[Apollo Celestio]

Jesus tells us how many will have recvieved the spirit by the time of his return, just 144,000 .... just some 14 in every mllion that ever lived ... few find the strait narrow way in this first life , not many ...

What about that "uncountable multitude"? I think what we have is enough. Though if a writing is of God, it'd probably be worthy to be scripture, but chances are it won't say anything new that did not already exist. Just what I think.. No sources..

 

[stranger]

What about that "uncountable multitude"? I think what we have is enough. Though if a writing is of God, it'd probably be worthy to be scripture, but chances are it won't say anything new that did not already exist. Just what I think.. No sources..

The 'uncountable multitude' of the gentiles is saved afterward , as Jesus says in Rev 7:9-10, which I referred to earlier...

How much is enough for God? ... simply note that if even one sheep is missing from a hundred that the shepherd goes looking for the one...

Equally there is nowhere for the spirit of any man to go except back to God ... so even death is denied men toward the end of time as scripture states, God has the atsk then of convincing even the most evil of men that evil does not pay ...because He is love for all, not just for a few or the many...

God then is obliged as god of men to save all men and Jesus confirms that all will accept him as Lord in the end , and thus all men will be saved , but not more than the 144,000 at Jesus' return...

Revelation 5:13 [REB] And, every created thing which was in heaven, and upon the earth, and under the earth, and upon the sea, and, all the things in them, heard I, saying—Unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb, be the blessing, and the honour, and the glory, and the dominion, unto the ages of ages!