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Is Slavery Moral?
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<blockquote data-quote="Sanoy" data-source="post: 72864563" data-attributes="member: 397693"><p>This statement "<em>All it takes to condone something is to say and do nothing" </em>accuses everyone of condoning anything that they fail to say or do anything about. It is a broad slogan, that is why it doesn't use a personal name, and uses "something" rather than a specific condition. It is very clear what it is. Now your intent is for the slogan to apply to Jesus, and over immoral law, that is obvious, but the semantics of that statement cover every single immoral law the Romans have. If Jesus didn't do or say something against it, He condoned it in via your moral slogan.</p><p></p><p>No, that is not what I said, which you would know if it did not pain you to read such things. I said we harden our hearts against God by turning to our own desires, then God turns His general revelation and presence away from us hardening it further. The Bible very clearly shows that we also harden our hearts - Mat 19:8 to give an example. Your "what if" objection violates their conscious free will. There were two prophecies of the Messiah, one that came on a donkey that would die, and one that came on the clouds that would conquer. Jesus's mission did not include paralyzing Roman soldiers just because you fancy Him condemning all Roman law and paralyzing soldiers until Caesar submits, His mission was not to abide to your hardened heart, it was to rescue those who still heard His voice. God can't create square Circles, He can't do anything against His nature. There may be a million reasons why He chose the course He did, which you don't know, which you are in no position to know, and which you are in no position to debate like you know, because you don't. You cannot make a logical argument for this case, and if you think you just did then you grossly underestimate what is necessary for that. Not to mention you have no high ground to accuse anyone of anything, your moral landscape is an endless plane. Whatever moral high ground you imagine yourself to be upon is illusory, just fizz in your brain that tells you "you're doing great".</p><p></p><p>What was your testimony that led you to turn your heart to Jesus and put your life in His hands? I don't want your redacted testimony from the present, I am asking for the testimony you would have given while you yet called yourself a Christian. If it was genuine, then don't try and weaken or mitigate it, as I will probably take notice.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sanoy, post: 72864563, member: 397693"] This statement "[I]All it takes to condone something is to say and do nothing" [/I]accuses everyone of condoning anything that they fail to say or do anything about. It is a broad slogan, that is why it doesn't use a personal name, and uses "something" rather than a specific condition. It is very clear what it is. Now your intent is for the slogan to apply to Jesus, and over immoral law, that is obvious, but the semantics of that statement cover every single immoral law the Romans have. If Jesus didn't do or say something against it, He condoned it in via your moral slogan. No, that is not what I said, which you would know if it did not pain you to read such things. I said we harden our hearts against God by turning to our own desires, then God turns His general revelation and presence away from us hardening it further. The Bible very clearly shows that we also harden our hearts - Mat 19:8 to give an example. Your "what if" objection violates their conscious free will. There were two prophecies of the Messiah, one that came on a donkey that would die, and one that came on the clouds that would conquer. Jesus's mission did not include paralyzing Roman soldiers just because you fancy Him condemning all Roman law and paralyzing soldiers until Caesar submits, His mission was not to abide to your hardened heart, it was to rescue those who still heard His voice. God can't create square Circles, He can't do anything against His nature. There may be a million reasons why He chose the course He did, which you don't know, which you are in no position to know, and which you are in no position to debate like you know, because you don't. You cannot make a logical argument for this case, and if you think you just did then you grossly underestimate what is necessary for that. Not to mention you have no high ground to accuse anyone of anything, your moral landscape is an endless plane. Whatever moral high ground you imagine yourself to be upon is illusory, just fizz in your brain that tells you "you're doing great". What was your testimony that led you to turn your heart to Jesus and put your life in His hands? I don't want your redacted testimony from the present, I am asking for the testimony you would have given while you yet called yourself a Christian. If it was genuine, then don't try and weaken or mitigate it, as I will probably take notice. [/QUOTE]
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