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Is Slavery Moral?
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<blockquote data-quote="Moral Orel" data-source="post: 72855179" data-attributes="member: 377019"><p>To acknowledge that "offering terms of peace" before someone opens their gate could possibly be a ruse isn't bias. Pretending it's impossible is though. And again, I'm saying that tributaries are forced. Be a tributary, or die. That's forced.</p><p></p><p>The law says "stealing" them. You've already stated that POWs can't be ruled out, and those would be involuntary, so you can't say that rule applies to all involuntary servitude.</p><p></p><p>Well I can't judge what their law was based on anything other than what is there. Why should I believe that Israelites went above and beyond to the extent you claimed they did based on things they didn't write down?</p><p></p><p>No, what you actually said didn't mention "immoral" laws, that's why I started there, see:</p><p></p><p>So I started by pointing out that there were probably only a handful of laws that needed mentioning.</p><p></p><p>I do find it hard to believe that one preacher telling a few thousand people that they shouldn't own slaves, or anything else that Romans didn't have a problem with, would be perceived by the Roman empire as an attack on their nation, yes. If He said something to the effect of, "Stop the Romans from enslaving people!" then yes, that would be crossing the line, but He also didn't say to change Roman law to outlaw adultery either. I find it hard to believe that Romans cared if someone said, "Don't do this in your personal life", no matter what "this" is.</p><p></p><p>Again, why does it matter to an omnipotent God? If He seriously ticked off the Romans, it would still happen according to God's plan because He can make it so <em>no matter what. </em>Your excuse here amounts to "God couldn't".</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Moral Orel, post: 72855179, member: 377019"] To acknowledge that "offering terms of peace" before someone opens their gate could possibly be a ruse isn't bias. Pretending it's impossible is though. And again, I'm saying that tributaries are forced. Be a tributary, or die. That's forced. The law says "stealing" them. You've already stated that POWs can't be ruled out, and those would be involuntary, so you can't say that rule applies to all involuntary servitude. Well I can't judge what their law was based on anything other than what is there. Why should I believe that Israelites went above and beyond to the extent you claimed they did based on things they didn't write down? No, what you actually said didn't mention "immoral" laws, that's why I started there, see: So I started by pointing out that there were probably only a handful of laws that needed mentioning. I do find it hard to believe that one preacher telling a few thousand people that they shouldn't own slaves, or anything else that Romans didn't have a problem with, would be perceived by the Roman empire as an attack on their nation, yes. If He said something to the effect of, "Stop the Romans from enslaving people!" then yes, that would be crossing the line, but He also didn't say to change Roman law to outlaw adultery either. I find it hard to believe that Romans cared if someone said, "Don't do this in your personal life", no matter what "this" is. Again, why does it matter to an omnipotent God? If He seriously ticked off the Romans, it would still happen according to God's plan because He can make it so [I]no matter what. [/I]Your excuse here amounts to "God couldn't". [/QUOTE]
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