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Is Slavery Moral?
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<blockquote data-quote="devolved" data-source="post: 72839756" data-attributes="member: 338442"><p>From what we observe in Biblical narrative the "opinions of omnibenevolent God" work through transforming societal structures where these can be salvaged and transformed.</p><p></p><p>Thus, the goal seems to be for self-discovery of certain ideals through cultural evolution, as chosen by original humans (outlined in the Genesis fall story) rather than God's enforcement of these ideals on global population.</p><p></p><p>Thus, slavery in such a view is not God's command of ideals, but rather God's permission in context existing cultural presets, because such preset bootstrapped the economic processes of that society and managed welfare and kept people on the fringes of society from a certain death.</p><p></p><p>You could argue that if you were God you could do better, but again, if we dropped you in a culture 3500 years ago, not only you wouldn't be able to convince other people of better viability of your moral preferences, you wouldn't have cultural prerequisites such preferences to function.</p><p></p><p>You seem to think that mere proclamation of different commands would do otherwise, while in context of manageable morality of the OT Israel fails consistently to the point of cultural demise.</p><p></p><p>The bottom line is that God doesn't come down and fixes our daily problems. It's our world, and Christian view is that we were given a choice of self-progression and self-discovery, and we made such a choice. Hence, what you have as a Biblical narrative is quite consistent with the concept of God's hiddenness and cultural evolution of humanity. God appears when it sees it fit to correct our cultural narrative. Otherwise, we are to look the ideals and attempt to do better as individuals and as cultures.</p><p></p><p><u><strong>OT Israel is by no means a model for human behavior. Bible makes the opposite point. It's an example of failure to live up to ideals. </strong></u></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="devolved, post: 72839756, member: 338442"] From what we observe in Biblical narrative the "opinions of omnibenevolent God" work through transforming societal structures where these can be salvaged and transformed. Thus, the goal seems to be for self-discovery of certain ideals through cultural evolution, as chosen by original humans (outlined in the Genesis fall story) rather than God's enforcement of these ideals on global population. Thus, slavery in such a view is not God's command of ideals, but rather God's permission in context existing cultural presets, because such preset bootstrapped the economic processes of that society and managed welfare and kept people on the fringes of society from a certain death. You could argue that if you were God you could do better, but again, if we dropped you in a culture 3500 years ago, not only you wouldn't be able to convince other people of better viability of your moral preferences, you wouldn't have cultural prerequisites such preferences to function. You seem to think that mere proclamation of different commands would do otherwise, while in context of manageable morality of the OT Israel fails consistently to the point of cultural demise. The bottom line is that God doesn't come down and fixes our daily problems. It's our world, and Christian view is that we were given a choice of self-progression and self-discovery, and we made such a choice. Hence, what you have as a Biblical narrative is quite consistent with the concept of God's hiddenness and cultural evolution of humanity. God appears when it sees it fit to correct our cultural narrative. Otherwise, we are to look the ideals and attempt to do better as individuals and as cultures. [U][B]OT Israel is by no means a model for human behavior. Bible makes the opposite point. It's an example of failure to live up to ideals. [/B][/U] [/QUOTE]
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