MATTHEWE said:
Hmmmmmm... At what point, then, should my husband and I stop having sexual relations, since the possibility of procreation is rapidly slipping away?
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MATTHEWE said:You speak righteously. This is the point I have been making all along and is certainly not contradicted in the Song of Solomon as far as I can see. Intimate union can only be pure and good in the context of marriage where procreation is the objective. This indeed warrants an intense spiritual pleasure, but this is not the same as a couple united in Holy Matrimony ogling and leering at one another and debasings God's design.
Seems by the gospel according the Matthewe that anyone who cant have children for whatever reason might be going against Gods will by having sex even though they are married and are told NOT to deprive one another so that each may not be tempted by satan...to which Paul makes no claim whatsoever that we arent to deprive each other of the 'possibility of procreation', the intent is clearly because of fulfilling sexual desire.bliz said:Hmmmmmm... At what point, then, should my husband and I stop having sexual relations, since the possibility of procreation is rapidly slipping away?
bliz said:Hmmmmmm... At what point, then, should my husband and I stop having sexual relations, since the possibility of procreation is rapidly slipping away?
HuntingMan said:Seems by the gospel according the Matthewe that anyone who cant have children for whatever reason might be going against Gods will by having sex even though they are married and are told NOT to deprive one another so that each may not be tempted by satan....
MATTHEWE said:It is certainly not for me to comment on what you choose to get up to in the privacy of your own home. Only God is privvy to what you do behind closed doors.
MATTHEWE said:Intimate union can only be pure and good in the context of marriage where procreation is the objective.
bliz said:Oh? Then why do you make statements such as...
You are clearly saying what you believe all of us should do and not do behind closed doors and that we should only have sexual relations when we are trying to conceive a child.
I think you missed the obvious sarcasm in my postbliz said:So, the next time my husband initiates sex, do you suggest that I deny him? Indeed, deny us both any sexual relations for the rest of our lives?
False prophets stand by their convictions as well. That is pretty much meaningless unless scripture actaully states what you claim. It does not.MATTHEWE said:I do stand by my convictions however.
God Bless
HuntingMan said:False prophets stand by their convictions as well. That is pretty much meaningless unless scripture actaully states what you claim. It does not.
MATTHEWE said:I'm sorry you seem to have misunderstood my intention. I will not pass personal judgement on an individual as it is not my place to do so. In the second quote you draw attention to, I am merely expressing my belief and interpretation of the Bible without passing personal judgement on specific individuals. I do stand by my convictions however.
God Bless
MATTHEWE said:Peace be with you, Mister Emu. You speak righteously. This is the point I have been making all along and is certainly not contradicted in the Song of Solomon as far as I can see. Intimate union can only be pure and good in the context of marriage where procreation is the objective. This indeed warrants an intense spiritual pleasure, but this is not the same as a couple united in Holy Matrimony ogling and leering at one another and debasings God's design.
God Bless
'HuntingMan said:I think you missed the obvious sarcasm in my post
I said 'gospel according to Matthewe..not Matthew.
MATTHEWE said:I am in no doubt that the sole purpose of sexual relations is procreation. This is what God intended.
Genesis
1Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, "Yea, hath God said, `Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden'?"
2And the woman said unto the serpent, "We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden,
3but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, `Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it,lest ye die.'"
I don't believe God was referring to literal death here, but rather to a kind of spiritual and moral death
4And the serpent said unto the woman, "Ye shall not surely die;
5for God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil."
Meaning, she will no longer interpret the world in innocence and naivety as God intended, but will be unable to look upon a naked form (in this case Adam's) without her mind rapidly descending into the gutter
6And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof and ate, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he ate.
7And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves things to gird about.
Obviously, they must have noticed they were naked before, but placed no significance upon it. However, having eaten of the Forbidden Fruit, they now looked upon one another and were no longer confronted with the impression of naked innocence, but rather something of a shamefully salacious and distasteful significance. No doubt Adam would have been shocked to find himself standing to before Eve's wanton display, and with dreadful embarrasment, quickly rushed to cover themselves up. It was at this precise point, that the possibility of sexual relations for any purpose other than procreation came into being, as a direct consequence of Eve not doing as she was told.
God was clearly so angry about this, he banished them from the Garden of Eden and placed a burden upon them evermore.
So, it is clear to me, that if we are to earn the approval of our Lord, we must aspire to be like Adam and Eve before the Serpent tempted them toward sin. Enjoying intimate union for its own sake draws a very clear parallel with Eve's original sin, and if it couldn't be tolerated then, it certainly shouldn't be tolerated now.
This indeed warrants an intense spiritual pleasure, but this is not the same as a couple united in Holy Matrimony ogling and leering at one another and debasings God's design
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