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Codswallop.Would you agree that God can give certainty of His existence to those who ask for it?
The Holy Spirit does discern perfect truth and as true Christians who have accepted Jesus as Lord over our lives, we have the Holy Spirit within us.
Are you attempting to present a more perfect truth than Jesus can provide through what you're saying and expecting me to believe you?
Codswallop.
Name one fact the "Holy Spirit" has taught you, that I, as an unbeliever, couldn't come to know by independent means.
Would you agree that God can give certainty of His existence to those who ask for it?
The Holy Spirit does discern perfect truth and as true Christians who have accepted Jesus as Lord over our lives, we have the Holy Spirit within us.
Are you attempting to present a more perfect truth than Jesus can provide through what you're saying and expecting me to believe you?
Yeah, that must be it. It couldn't be that your posts are barely intelligible half the time...I think the problem is that if you actually made sense of what I'm saying you would have to accept the very reasonable possibility that God exists, therefore, you're actively choosing to not make sense of the things I'm saying that threaten your lack of belief in God.
So let me ask you a simple question; do you believe your belief in God could be fallible and you are wrong about your belief? Yes, or no please.
Yes, what I currently believe about God is not 100% accurate because my beliefs are fallible, which is why I rely on Him for correction not myself.
My faith in God makes up for my fallible beliefs.
This is in line what he has said previously (emphasis added):"You know how I know it is true? BECAUSE I BELIEVE IT IS TRUE!!!"
I couldn't say such a thing and feel honest doing so. However, I grew up in a family of Christians. I grew up in the church. Most of my close relatives are still in the church. This is how they think. I simply can't do it, but they don't see any problem with a circular argument so tight that it nearly produces a singularity.
I think my beliefs are formed based on what I want to be true.
My choices affect my reality, which may affect what I want and in turn affecting my beliefs.
I want to believe God is the truth, therefore God is true to me.
No, I do not agree with this.Would you agree that God can give certainty of His existence to those who ask for it?
I believe this, but I would never claim I am certain of it. Nor would I ever imagine that any thought that I have is beyond the possibility of error simply because I believe I have the Spirit dwelling in me.The Holy Spirit does discern perfect truth and as true Christians who have accepted Jesus as Lord over our lives, we have the Holy Spirit within us.
It seems like you are asking me "Do you, expos4ever, know better than Jesus". Well that begs the question at issue - it presumes that Jesus can give you certain knowledge of the truth. I think that is very unlikely for a number of reasons.Are you attempting to present a more perfect truth than Jesus can provide through what you're saying and expecting me to believe you?
Because the thought of someone denying God and accepting their own desires and being punished eternally for doing so is a scary thought, I wouldn't want that for anyone. Would you?
No, I do not agree with this.
I believe this, but I would never claim I am certain of it. Nor would I ever imagine that any thought that I have is beyond the possibility of error simply because I believe I have the Spirit dwelling in me.
I would be happy to have certainty. But 50 + years of living and 30 + of them as a Christian have shown me the dangerous path of believing in absolute certainty. Here is a quote that I believe is particularly relevant. It is made by a man who contemplates the holocaust:I hope and pray God will give you certainty of this truth.God bless!
I would be happy to have certainty. But 50 + years of living and 30 + of them as a Christian have shown me the dangerous path of believing in absolute certainty. Here is a quote that I believe is particularly relevant. It is made by a man who contemplates the holocaust:
It's said that science will dehumanize people and turn them into numbers. That's false, tragically false. Look for yourself. This is the concentration camp and crematorium at Auschwitz. This is where people were turned into numbers. Into this pond were flushed the ashes of some four million people. And that was not done by gas. It was done by arrogance, it was done by dogma, it was done by ignorance. When people believe that they have absolute knowledge, with no test in reality, this is how they behave. This is what men do when they aspire to the knowledge of gods.
Science is a very human form of knowledge. We are always at the brink of the known; we always feel forward for what is to be hoped. Every judgment in science stands on the edge of error and is personal. Science is a tribute to what we can know although we are fallible. In the end, the words were said by Oliver Cromwell: "I beseech you in the bowels of Christ: Think it possible you may be mistaken."
If you repeat "I know I'm right. I know I'm right. I know I'm right." a thousand times, eventually you'll start to believe it. So rather than really evaluate reasons for your doubt, you just double down.Interesting quote. I sure hope you don't think I'm claiming I have absolute knowledge. I am not claiming that, but I am claiming that God has absolute knowledge and that I am directly connected to him through Jesus Christ. He gives me knowledge as He pleases. However, if I doubt that He exists, then this has a negative effect on our relationship.
I did have that kind of doubt before, which is what helped me realize the truth that I am saved and that God is my father and that He desires to have a relationship with me.
Doubt and honest questioning are definitely good for spiritual growth. God wants all our heart, mind and soul, not just parts of us.
If you repeat "I know I'm right. I know I'm right. I know I'm right." a thousand times, eventually you'll start to believe it. So rather than really evaluate reasons for your doubt, you just double down.
My conclusion is that it's very difficult to reason with someone who has no doubt that God is false.
As I said, doubt is very important in finding truth so if you have no doubt that God is false, then it's likely you're not really thinking about the possibility of God.
For over thirty years of my life I was a "True Christian." At this point in my life, I see only anecdotal evidence for it's existence.My conclusion is that it's very difficult to reason with someone who has no doubt that God is false.
As I said, doubt is very important in finding truth so if you have no doubt that God is false, then it's likely you're not really thinking about the possibility of God.
I believe He can give certainty of his existence. This certainty may only last for awhile until certain things in life effect us and cause us to doubt again. However, having a close relationship with God, I can say I do not doubt His existence at all. What I do doubt, is whether I'm doing the right thing that pleases Him. This is why I pray constantly and ask for guidance.
I hope and pray God will give you certainty of this truth.
God bless!
My conclusion is that it's very difficult to reason with someone who has no doubt that God is false.
As I said, doubt is very important in finding truth so if you have no doubt that God is false, then it's likely you're not really thinking about the possibility of God.
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