Is promoting diversity ethical.

[Autumnleaf]

It seems like diversity is an untried, or even possibly a harmful, way of setting up society.

Old school of thought was that unity was more important. ie You come to America from wherever you want to but you better learn to speak like us and try to fit in. These days the opposite often seems to be true and I don't know if we're better off as a society for it. What do you think?

 

[Tinker Grey]

Homogeneity is illusory and thus harmful. We are not all the same nor can we be.

Appreciating reality for what it is is alway beneficial.

Understanding that we are different, appreciating those difference, taking advantage of those differences for the benefit of all seems obviously beneficial. If we are able to cope with differences within our society without suspicion and hate, then we might actually be able to understand cultures of other societies.

If I had to guess, I'd say that most wars occur due to a failure to understand and appreciate differences between the warring factions.

 

[quatona]

Is promoting diversity ethical.

No, everyone who is/feels/thinks different than me should be oppressed.

 

[HannahBanana]

The last time everyone tried to embrace sameness, millions of people were killed. (In case you didn't get it, I was just talking about the Holocaust.) Is that really something you want this world to have to re-live, AutumnLeaf?

 

[david_x]

It seems like diversity is an untried, or even possibly a harmful, way of setting up society.

Old school of thought was that unity was more important. ie You come to America from wherever you want to but you better learn to speak like us and try to fit in. These days the opposite often seems to be true and I don't know if we're better off as a society for it. What do you think?

I'm a little homophobic (old definition) so it's not really an issue for me.

 

[Robbie_James_Francis]

Surely, it's more ethical to discriminate and promote certain types of people to certain positions. It will surely create a better world to only encourage one type of person to be in charge. It worked so well throughout colonialism.

I'm a little homophobic (old definition) so it's not really an issue for me.

You must be so proud! I wish I had an illogical hatred of some group of people.

 

[HannahBanana]

Never mind.

 

[Supernaut]

The sad thing about David_X is that he himself is gay. I honestly feel bad for him, especially since I myself have struggled (and continue to struggle) with self-hatred. I really hope he can learn to love himself for who he is, homosexuality and all.

Self hatred is no bueno!!! Diversity is what keeps this world going. Squashing culture is equal to death. We would be zombies without multicultural diversity. We are all so different and that makes us who we are.

 

[david_x]

Surely, it's more ethical to discriminate and promote certain types of people to certain positions. It will surely create a better world to only encourage one type of person to be in charge. It worked so well throughout colonialism.



You must be so proud! I wish I had an illogical hatred of some group of people.

I'm not scared of gay people, hater. That is not what homophobic means.

Homophobic: break down the roots here HOMO same, PHOBIC fear, so homophobic is fear of sameness. Or the irrational fear of sameness. (I just don't like it when every thing repeats over and over again. Like when everyone I know thinks the same way, is the same gender, nationality, ability, age, etc.)

 

[david_x]

The sad thing about David_X is that he himself is gay. I honestly feel bad for him, especially since I myself have struggled (and continue to struggle) with self-hatred. I really hope he can learn to love himself for who he is, homosexuality and all.

I don't hate myself in any way, i'm not sure what you're talking about? It is not wise to judge so eagerly, it causes strife.

 

[HannahBanana]

I don't hate myself in any way, i'm not sure what you're talking about? It is not wise to judge so eagerly, it causes strife.

You just said that you're homophobic, which means you hate (or at least dislike) gays. And you yourself are gay. Therefore, you must be self-hateful, unless there's something I'm not getting.

I honestly didn't mean to judge you, by the way. I'm sorry if I did so unintentionally.

 

[david_x]

You just said that you're homophobic, which means you hate (or at least dislike) gays. And you yourself are gay. Therefore, you must be self-hateful, unless there's something I'm not getting.

I honestly didn't mean to judge you, by the way. I'm sorry if I did so unintentionally.

*Homophobia- Fear of sameness, monotony or of homosexuality or of becoming homosexual

It's an older meaning, but I expected cf to pick up on that when i said NOT THE FEAR OF GAY PEOPLE.

 

[HannahBanana]

*Homophobia- Fear of sameness, monotony or of homosexuality or of becoming homosexual

It's an older meaning, but I expected cf to pick up on that when i said NOT THE FEAR OF GAY PEOPLE.

Sorry, I didn't even think of that definition. Like I said, I do apologize for what I said, and I'll go edit my post (as in, post #7) right now so that no one else can read it. I hope you're not mad at me.

 

[david_x]

Sorry, I didn't even think of that definition. Like I said, I do apologize for what I said, and I'll go edit my post (as in, post #7) right now so that no one else can read it. I hope you're not mad at me.

Anger is not really one of my issues, I didn't want to yell but i thought i had to make it clear before anyone else posted something without reading.

 

[quatona]

Some are black, some are white or yellow or red; some are stupid, some are smart; some prefer people of the opposite gender for their partners, some prefer people of their own gender; some are born rich, some are born poor; some are Christians, some are Muslims or Hindus or atheists; some are tall, some are short; some value stability over change, some prefer change over stability. Etc, etc, etc.

Diversity is out there, everywhere. The question is not whether to promote it or not, but whether to acknowledge it or not.

 

[Robbie_James_Francis]

I'm not scared of gay people, hater. That is not what homophobic means.

I didn't say you were scared of gay people. I said you hated them.

 

[Psudopod]

Homophobic: break down the roots here HOMO same, PHOBIC fear, so homophobic is fear of sameness.

English doesn't always break down like that. For example photophobia isn't a fear of light buy a medical condition where light is pairful or unconfortable for the patient.

English is a living language, therefore words are defined by their usage. And homophobia means a fear or strong dislike of gay people.

 

[ebia]

English doesn't always break down like that. For example photophobia isn't a fear of light buy a medical condition where light is pairful or unconfortable for the patient.

English is a living language, therefore words are defined by their usage. And homophobia means a fear or strong dislike of gay people.

It struck me in the context he wrote it that it was a clear and beautifully pointed of saying something that needed to be said on several levels. Even if people did misread it I'm glad he posted it.

There were plenty of clues to indicate what he wasn't saying.

 

[david_x]

I didn't say you were scared of gay people. I said you hated them.

Well I don't. So don't make false assumptions.

 

[Kid Fish]

Promoting diversity as some kind of utopian construct is silly. We are not all equal, we are all individuals and should live and let live.

On the other hand, when "celebrating diversity" becomes a government regulated edict where people who are intolerant are forced to accept all lifestyles or all beliefs as equal, people will react negatively because no one likes being told what to do.

Heather has 2 Mommies, for instance, does not celebrate diversity, rather it attempts to normalize an abnormal lifestyle and is absolutely going to offend people who have strong religious feelings on homosexual relations. And actually, it might offend any biologist who understands the procreative process.