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GDL

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I think some try to manipulate via scare tactics. If you want to number yourself among them, that's up to you, but I didn't have you in mind.

Read my posts and get back to me re: your opinion of my teaching works salvation.

Maybe you should try to sound a tad less condescending.

It's condescending to point out what we think are erroneous interpretations and childish analogies re: those who don't agree with you? Nice try.


Show me where what I posted in those Scriptures is not true about God and how He deals with such things. What's easy to do is say what you just said apart from explaining how I'm wrong.

I recall your scare tactics assertion having something to do with what your brother or someone told you they heard about something MacArthur allegedly said as to why he teaches what he does. Apparently it stuck with you enough to apply it more widely.

Maybe some think those who have accepted what BH refers to is Belief Alone-ism, or what DanielJerry Seinfeldthemailman with his type 2 works salvation may not be saved. Concerns about false gospels seem a well-founded concern Biblically.

I don't see anybody here trying to scare anybody. I just see a few debating soteriology and giving their thoughts about Biblical things like fear and trembling. I see you inserting far-out trap door analogies and alleged scare tactics against those who see things differently than you.

How about some Scripture?
 
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I'm in agreement with you on most of that. Things get complicated when some (not you, I mean others around the world) say they don't believe in a performance based salvation, but then they'll describe what being saved means in terms of performance. And when I get into a conversation with someone doing that, the more they try to keep it from getting contradictory, the more contradictory and complicated it sounds to me. And it seems they are often thinking I'm trying to defend carnal Christianity, when instead I'm struggling with what I see as contradiction and ambiguity in what they're saying.

Then of course there are others who go right into a scared straight fire and brimstone type routine.
 
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Wow. Thanks GDL. Great write up on “faith” and “obedience” being interchangeable. Very useful.

May God bless you greatly for your help.
I remember some of the verses you pointed out but I could not believe I did not see it before.

Thanks.

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Oh, and yes, I am still for the KJB being my final Word of authority. But I am not your hardcore KJB proponent because I believe in looking at other translations and in looking at the original languages.
 
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I'm in agreement with you on most of that. Things get complicated when some (not you) say they don't believe in a performance based salvation, but then they'll describe what being saved means by using examples of performance. And when I get into a conversation with someone doing that, the more they try to keep it from getting contradictory, the more contradictory and complicated it sounds to me. And it seems they are often thinking I'm trying to defend carnal Christianity, when instead I'm just struggling with what I see as contradiction and ambiguity.

Then of course there are others who go right into a scared straight fire and brimstone type routine.
 
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Read my posts and get back to me re: your opinion of my teaching works salvation.

Like I said, I wasn't including you. I didn't have you in mind.

It's condescending to point out what we think are erroneous interpretations and childish analogies re: those who don't agree with you? Nice try.

Comments like that are condescending.


That's incorrect. There's a difference between MacArthur's Lordship Salvation and what I've seen others produce which is more like Lordship Salvation on steroids. What MacArthur said is that while he agrees with Ephesians 2:8-9 and the like, he doesn't want Christians thinking they can do whatever they want. Paul also didn't want that.


Just because you don't see anybody here doing something, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist elsewhere. It seems like when I'm talking about overall worldviews, you think I'm only talking about this one little forum, or even that I'm talking about you in particular, when that's not the case.
 
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Wow. Thanks GDL. Great write up on “faith” and “obedience” being interchangeable. Very useful.

May God bless you greatly for your help.
I remember some of the verses you pointed out but I could not believe I did not see it before.

Glad you see it. It was a bright light when it was lit for me, and still is.

Thanks.

Side Note:

Oh, and yes, I am still for the KJB being my final Word of authority. But I am not your hardcore KJB proponent because I believe in looking at other translations and in looking at the original languages.

Good to hear. Thanks!
 
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Here's good message regarding salvation:

Thanks for this, Brian!! It is probably one of the most refreshing things I have heard in some time. Not only the Salvation is a process part, but his thoughts of eternity are very much like mine - I don't think we will ever stop learning, and I think God will always be showing us something new to amaze us! Frankly, IMO, this existence pales and I'm looking forward to what we were truly designed to be, in union with Him.

As he explains Theosis, I change my earlier statement from No to Yes - I agree with him. When some speak of Theosis, simply as [unexplained] deification, I back off.

Interesting how he does not touch on what this thread has been mainly about - our collaborative work with God in the Salvation "process."
 
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He's the more Protestant version:

 
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Here is an excellent sermon on God's laws and being saved by grace.

This seems like an important question and one you want to 'get right' with our understanding because it seems like there is a lot at stake with scriptures like these:

Mathew 19:17 So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

Exodus 20:6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.

And one of the last verses in the Bible: Revelations 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

We are saved by grace through our faith, but because we are saved we will keep God's commandments out of love with our new heart.


God bless
 
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