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Is my view of modern Christian music much ado about nothing or valid?

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So I was reading up on the forum about "Christian Rock" and I have to write that while I find Christian music pretty listenable, I find the terms "Christian Rock" a little too secular. I understand that Christian Rock seems to be a compromise with the world despite its message. I think that Christian Rock would be an example of that.

It has a good message and I don't find it sinful, but when it comes to Christian Rock, I can't help but think at time "religious+secular". It could either be a slippery slope to compromising with the world or it is a compromise with the world, plain and simple. I find it to be that way because the name throws me off. It is all rock music to me despite the message.

It is also the same with Christian Rap. I find it sad that any form of rap music has a negative connotation because of the tripe that considers itself music. Christian rap is rap music, but with a Christian message, which is fine. However, I believe all Christian music, old school hymns or recent songs should be separate and remain separate from the world.

I believe this because I want to believe that music is music which is true. The problem is labeling it Christian-this or Christian-that. It is an excellent alternative, but there is also a danger to labeling anything Christian+secular form of music. Christian-jazz is the same thing. I am concerned that the label and much of the music in general could end up being seen as a compromise due to the religious music with the secular label.

Could all of this be an example of christian+secular form of music being yoked with the world? Could it be much ado about nothing? Is my concern about how Christian music is labeled valid or is it in your opinion about it being unlawfully yoked? Is the point about Christian music in general to reach young people especially? Yes, however, is there a danger about modern Christian music reaching young people especially?

The Bible writes about an apostasy or a falling away from true Christian teaching. Because of the danger of much of Christian-secular form of music being sung, rapped, and produced, would it be end up being more difficult to further distinguished between what is religious and what will end up being secular? I find much of what is "new school" Christian music listenable, but going farther and farther from its original intent of reaching young people to Jesus Christ and using music to further make disciples out of young people especially become new believers.

I am concerned that at the same time that while much of it is listenable and not sinful in context, it can be listenable the same way that The Beatles were listenable. In our times, I think that all forms of music has become way too secular and way too demeaning, even some Christian music. It is sad that music could be a tool to praise God and reach people yet there is still so many people who see Christianity as a religion of hypocrites.

So in short, my concern about the labeling of Christian Rap or Christian Rock or any music that is reaching young people isn't doing much or nothing in the grand scheme of things due to the apostasy. Sadly only a few people will walk the narrow road. That to me, is a scary message. How come there is so much music that is reaching young people, yet there is a great apostasy out there? Few people will end up truly saved and also in the end music, religious and secular becoming too much of a distraction.

My point to this is my concern is valid or is it much ado about nothing? In short, my real concern is while much of what we call a Christian alternative is out there, are we as Christians singing music that is really doing damage as far as how young people are being reached especially while so many people are being unreached in this and other lands? Am I reaching or am I right to be concerned?
 

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So I was reading up on the forum about "Christian Rock" and I have to write that while I find Christian music pretty listenable, I find the terms "Christian Rock" a little too secular. I understand that Christian Rock seems to be a compromise with the world despite its message. I think that Christian Rock would be an example of that.

It has a good message and I don't find it sinful, but when it comes to Christian Rock, I can't help but think at time "religious+secular". It could either be a slippery slope to compromising with the world or it is a compromise with the world, plain and simple. I find it to be that way because the name throws me off. It is all rock music to me despite the message.

It is also the same with Christian Rap. I find it sad that any form of rap music has a negative connotation because of the tripe that considers itself music. Christian rap is rap music, but with a Christian message, which is fine. However, I believe all Christian music, old school hymns or recent songs should be separate and remain separate from the world.

I believe this because I want to believe that music is music which is true. The problem is labeling it Christian-this or Christian-that. It is an excellent alternative, but there is also a danger to labeling anything Christian+secular form of music. Christian-jazz is the same thing. I am concerned that the label and much of the music in general could end up being seen as a compromise due to the religious music with the secular label.

Could all of this be an example of christian+secular form of music being yoked with the world? Could it be much ado about nothing? Is my concern about how Christian music is labeled valid or is it in your opinion about it being unlawfully yoked? Is the point about Christian music in general to reach young people especially? Yes, however, is there a danger about modern Christian music reaching young people especially?

The Bible writes about an apostasy or a falling away from true Christian teaching. Because of the danger of much of Christian-secular form of music being sung, rapped, and produced, would it be end up being more difficult to further distinguished between what is religious and what will end up being secular? I find much of what is "new school" Christian music listenable, but going farther and farther from its original intent of reaching young people to Jesus Christ and using music to further make disciples out of young people especially become new believers.

I am concerned that at the same time that while much of it is listenable and not sinful in context, it can be listenable the same way that The Beatles were listenable. In our times, I think that all forms of music has become way too secular and way too demeaning, even some Christian music. It is sad that music could be a tool to praise God and reach people yet there is still so many people who see Christianity as a religion of hypocrites.

So in short, my concern about the labeling of Christian Rap or Christian Rock or any music that is reaching young people isn't doing much or nothing in the grand scheme of things due to the apostasy. Sadly only a few people will walk the narrow road. That to me, is a scary message. How come there is so much music that is reaching young people, yet there is a great apostasy out there? Few people will end up truly saved and also in the end music, religious and secular becoming too much of a distraction.

My point to this is my concern is valid or is it much ado about nothing? In short, my real concern is while much of what we call a Christian alternative is out there, are we as Christians singing music that is really doing damage as far as how young people are being reached especially while so many people are being unreached in this and other lands? Am I reaching or am I right to be concerned?

Despite for my love for such music, I tend to feel the same. You're not crazy.
 
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The older hymns came about the same way that Christian rock and rap did, church lyrics to contemporary styles of music. In the case of the old hymns, it's just not contemporary anymore.

Both views I'd say are valid.
 
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I think that one problem in Christianity is their skewered notions of what is of the world and that should thus be rejected as not from God. sometimes peoples rejection of the world starts to sound like Gnosticism which was rejected by the early Christians for a few good reasons.

also sometimes I get the feeling that peoples zealous attempts to win converts becomes unchristlike and misses the whole point of why people would want to become Christians. I don't think Christianity should try to buy and sell souls.
 
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I think that one problem in Christianity is their skewered notions of what is of the world and that should thus be rejected as not from God. sometimes peoples rejection of the world starts to sound like Gnosticism which was rejected by the early Christians for a few good reasons.

also sometimes I get the feeling that peoples zealous attempts to win converts becomes unchristlike and misses the whole point of why people would want to become Christians. I don't think Christianity should try to buy and sell souls.

Matthew 28:18-20
 
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Matthew 28:18-20
right before it was written:

Matt 28:16-17 (YLT)
And the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mount where Jesus appointed them, and having seen him, they bowed to him, but some did waver.


so we can't waver or we are not truly making disciples. we must go to a proper place appointed, and see and bow and he too must come near. that is the criteria.

Matt 28:18-20 (YLT)
And having come near, Jesus spake to them, saying, `Given to me was all authority in heaven and on earth; having gone, then, disciple all the nations, (baptizing them--to the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all, whatever I did command you,) and lo, I am with you all the days--till the full end of the age.'


but there is authentic conversion and then there is the more outward appearance of a conversion. if God sets his angels over nations and they follow then they are disciples and therefore what the earth produces in Gods kingdom is good and a perfect gift from the Father of lights.

Ps 57:1-11 (YLT)
To the Overseer. --`Destroy not.' --A secret treasure of David, in his fleeing from the face of Saul into a cave. Favour me, O God, favour me, For in Thee is my soul trusting, And in the shadow of Thy wings I trust, Until the calamities pass over.

I call to God Most High, To God who is perfecting for me. He sendeth from the heaven, and saveth me, He reproached--who is panting after me. Selah. God sendeth forth His kindness and His truth.

My soul is in the midst of lions, I lie down among flames--sons of men, Their teeth are a spear and arrows, And their tongue a sharp sword. Be Thou exalted above the heavens, O God, Above all the earth Thine honour.

A net they have prepared for my steps, Bowed down hath my soul, They have digged before me a pit, They have fallen into its midst. Selah.

Prepared is my heart, O God, Prepared is my heart, I sing and praise. Awake, mine honour, awake, psaltery and harp, I awake the morning dawn.

I thank Thee among the peoples, O Lord, I praise Thee among the nations. For great unto the heavens is Thy kindness, And unto the clouds Thy truth. Be thou exalted above the heavens, O God. Above all the earth Thine honour!
 
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right before it was written:

Matt 28:16-17 (YLT)
And the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mount where Jesus appointed them, and having seen him, they bowed to him, but some did waver.


so we can't waver or we are not truly making disciples. we must go to a proper place appointed, and see and bow and he too must come near. that is the criteria.

Matt 28:18-20 (YLT)
And having come near, Jesus spake to them, saying, `Given to me was all authority in heaven and on earth; having gone, then, disciple all the nations, (baptizing them--to the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all, whatever I did command you,) and lo, I am with you all the days--till the full end of the age.'


but there is authentic conversion and then there is the more outward appearance of a conversion. if God sets his angels over nations and they follow then they are disciples and therefore what the earth produces in Gods kingdom is good and a perfect gift from the Father of lights.

Ps 57:1-11 (YLT)
To the Overseer. --`Destroy not.' --A secret treasure of David, in his fleeing from the face of Saul into a cave. Favour me, O God, favour me, For in Thee is my soul trusting, And in the shadow of Thy wings I trust, Until the calamities pass over.

I call to God Most High, To God who is perfecting for me. He sendeth from the heaven, and saveth me, He reproached--who is panting after me. Selah. God sendeth forth His kindness and His truth.

My soul is in the midst of lions, I lie down among flames--sons of men, Their teeth are a spear and arrows, And their tongue a sharp sword. Be Thou exalted above the heavens, O God, Above all the earth Thine honour.

A net they have prepared for my steps, Bowed down hath my soul, They have digged before me a pit, They have fallen into its midst. Selah.

Prepared is my heart, O God, Prepared is my heart, I sing and praise. Awake, mine honour, awake, psaltery and harp, I awake the morning dawn.

I thank Thee among the peoples, O Lord, I praise Thee among the nations. For great unto the heavens is Thy kindness, And unto the clouds Thy truth. Be thou exalted above the heavens, O God. Above all the earth Thine honour!

Do you believe that evangelism produces good fruit?
 
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Do you believe that evangelism produces good fruit?

to lump it all into one giant category of a simple yes or no is unjust. it does when it does and it don't when it don't :)
 
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to lump it all into one giant category of a simple yes or no is unjust. it does when it does and it don't when it don't :)

Exactly.

Genuine biblical evangelism? Praise the LORD.

Charismatic evangelism? Errrrr...
 
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Exactly.

Genuine biblical evangelism? Praise the LORD.

Charismatic evangelism? Errrrr...

well I try to keep in mind that there are all kinds of souls that God made. some people would have that all people fit into a tiny box of their own making but imo that is a slander to Gods kingdom, which is the Holy Spirit.

going too far one way or the other is usually a bad idea.
 
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well I try to keep in mind that there are all kinds of souls that God made. some people would have that all people fit into a tiny box of their own making but imo that is a slander to Gods kingdom, which is the Holy Spirit.

going too far one way or the other is usually a bad idea.

I feel like I am a very logical and single-minded Christian. :p Believing that all soul have the same essential need of Jesus Christ.
 
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I feel like I am a very logical and single-minded Christian. :p Believing that all soul have the same essential need of Jesus Christ.

as long as you don't try to blot out his humanity... because he was fully human and fully God and so it's not right to take away some of what we need.
 
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The older hymns came about the same way that Christian rock and rap did, church lyrics to contemporary styles of music. In the case of the old hymns, it's just not contemporary anymore.
This is exactly right. None of us would even recognize "original" 1st-century church music, let alone, enjoy it.
 
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This is exactly right. None of us would even recognize "original" 1st-century church music, let alone, enjoy it.

Would take a while to get used to it.
 
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as long as you don't try to blot out his humanity... because he was fully human and fully God and so it's not right to take away some of what we need.

We need the human and simultaneously spiritual connection to the Lord.
 
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Modern Christian music is for the most part a business. They want to sell lots of records and downloads to survive. Can't blame them.
The problem is that they cannot afford to offend people, so lyrical content is confined to being very basic and doesn't really convey any deep truths. The church is divided thousands of ways and face it, say the wrong word to the wrong Christians and they will burn the records and boycott the record label.

This is why most Christian music is boring, repetitive and unimaginative.
 
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Modern Christian music is for the most part a business. They want to sell lots of records and downloads to survive. Can't blame them.
The problem is that they cannot afford to offend people, so lyrical content is confined to being very basic and doesn't really convey any deep truths. The church is divided thousands of ways and face it, say the wrong word to the wrong Christians and they will burn the records and boycott the record label.

This is why most Christian music is boring, repetitive and unimaginative.

That's why Christian metal is interesting.
 
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