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My answer, which is true, was a response to the incorrect claim that "God's will is not a morality."
Yes. So I'm asking for moral advice.No ... that would be you who cannot decide.
I'm thinking I might raise the subject and suggest that she might be subject to me. What do you think? Is your wife subject to you? Maybe you could help with a couple of examples..?So, you're walking by her in the kitchen and casually say, "You are to be subject to me". Get real.
Beause they also go against God's will. Do you think that if there were no God then we wouldn't have laws against them? Do you think He's the only reason we have them?Murder and rape are because they go against God's will. We do define the laws in regard to murder and rape
Then we'd all agree on what's right and wrong. But we don't. So it isn't.Morality, that sense of right or wrong, is imprinted on the souls of all humans.
If we stayed the same we would. The point I wast trying to make was that even a primitive man with no man ever having taught him of the existence of God knows at some level that murder, murder of another man, murder of his child, is wrong.Then we'd all agree on what's right and wrong. But we don't. So it isn't.
How do you know that he wouldn't feel the same if God did not exist?If we stayed the same we would. The point I wast trying to make was that even a primitive man with no man ever having taught him of the existence of God knows at some level that murder, murder of another man, murder of his child, is wrong.
As has been pointed out, there are acts that are universally deemed wrong. For obvious reasons. But if morality was 'written on our hearts' then we'd all agree on all moral acts. We don't. Unless God only wrote an abridged version of morality onto our hearts?If we stayed the same we would. The point I wast trying to make was that even a primitive man with no man ever having taught him of the existence of God knows at some level that murder, murder of another man, murder of his child, is wrong.
What are the obvious reasons? A queen ant will kill all of the other queens before they hatch.As has been pointed out, there are acts that are universally deemed wrong. For obvious reasons. But if morality was 'written on our hearts' then we'd all agree on all moral acts. We don't. Unless God only wrote an abridged version of morality onto our hearts?
One explanation is that our conscience starts with some basic premises on what is right and wrong and then is supposed to mature as we get older. On the one hand, it is to tell us that there is a higher power that requires righteousness. On the other hand, it changes and hopefully matures through social and intellectual input. So it might be an “abridged” version that can mature or decline.As has been pointed out, there are acts that are universally deemed wrong. For obvious reasons. But if morality was 'written on our hearts' then we'd all agree on all moral acts. We don't. Unless God only wrote an abridged version of morality onto our hearts?
Luckily we don't consider hymenoptera versions of morality when we consider our own. And I can't see anything constructive coming out of a discussion with someone who can't even think of any universally accepted norms.What are the obvious reasons? A queen ant will kill all of the other queens before they hatch.
It seems that you really don't want to answer simple questions about morality...Why?
So we start with a basic premise such as do not steal. Then we mature enough to realise that it doesn't cover all circumstances, so we need to make a personal decision as to whether the 'command' is justified.One explanation is that our conscience starts with some basic premises on what is right and wrong and then is supposed to mature as we get older. On the one hand, it is to tell us that there is a higher power that requires righteousness. On the other hand, it changes and hopefully matures through social and intellectual input. So it might be an “abridged” version that can mature or decline.
Most of the time those "commands" worked for the majority. Whereas having to consider all of the circumstances was most of the time most usually for the minority.So we start with a basic premise such as do not steal. Then we mature enough to realise that it doesn't cover all circumstances, so we need to make a personal decision as to whether the 'command' is justified.
I can go with that.
It is great that you agree. The maturing of understanding right and wrong can be a combination of religious study, good parenting, philosophy, social convention, and laws of the state. The latter can be the most dangerous and can produce “Karens.” The degradation of conscience is caused by selfishness and vanity.So we start with a basic premise such as do not steal. Then we mature enough to realise that it doesn't cover all circumstances, so we need to make a personal decision as to whether the 'command' is justified.
I can go with that.
? The ball is still in your court and remains there until you answer the simple question.It seems that you really don't want to answer simple questions about morality
There is no moral objectivity without God, but it can appear that way to a person like Singer who denies the existence of God. Moral objectivity is a set of moral codes that are universal to everyone who has a conscience during some point in their life. It can be destroyed or damaged.Jumping in here to see what youve all decided. Youve had ample time to arrive at some proper conclusions.
So, can non theist morality be objective?
What do we mean by morality being objective?
Anyone is free to answer, since you all should be in agreement by this point.
There is no moral objectivity without God,
Moral objectivity is a set of moral codes that are universal to everyone...
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