Is Masturbation a sin?

FanofGod1992 said:

But my real question is, is it a sin if you do it and not look at porn. Because I do touch but I don't don't look at other women.

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So, we're hair-splitting over masturbation? Better lawyer-up.

Im happy there's a discussion about this. I just wanna share something here.
Im a young man who entered a sexual relationship with a lady, lived in sin for years. God rescued me from this, the temptation is no longer in front of me. But my desires aren't gone, they are stronger if anything. And they build up if I don't release... the desires get stronger to the point where my body gets uncomfortable and aches, and i have had a few wet dreams and they are way more twisted and sinful than anything i would ever think about while i touch, and i cant controll my dreams. I can however to some extent touch without lusting or entertaining wicked or sinful thoughts.

I've been wondering about this for a long time too, just figured i would share my own experience. What do you think??

Sounds just about like what I felt when I was your age, rydyk.

Hi everyone, I would like to say Yes, touching yourself is a sin do you know why?

Hi I think touching yourself is still a sin.

If masturbation is a sin...then what are wet dreams?

Well wet dreams are natural, you did not do it on your own will because you are at sleep.

So I think you are clean

OGM said:

If masturbation is a sin...then what are wet dreams?

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Well wet dreams are natural, you did not do it on your own will because you are at sleep.

So I think you are clean

Masturbation and wet dreams are on the same level as far as I can see.

Tho I accept that masturbation is sin to those who think it is sin.

dayhiker said:

Masturbation and wet dreams are on the same level as far as I can see.

Tho I accept that masturbation is sin to those who think it is sin.

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No they are different, it depends on your own will starting from your heart

I understand that will is involved. Those who think wet dreams are bad say once we clean up who we think while we are awake
will find that our dream life also gets cleaned up.

GrimKingGrim said:

Such a silly question.

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For once, Grim, I agree with you.

rydyk said:

Im happy there's a discussion about this. I just wanna share something here.
Im a young man who entered a sexual relationship with a lady, lived in sin for years. God rescued me from this, the temptation is no longer in front of me. But my desires aren't gone, they are stronger if anything. And they build up if I don't release... the desires get stronger to the point where my body gets uncomfortable and aches, and i have had a few wet dreams and they are way more twisted and sinful than anything i would ever think about while i touch, and i cant controll my dreams. I can however to some extent touch without lusting or entertaining wicked or sinful thoughts.

I've been wondering about this for a long time too, just figured i would share my own experience. What do you think??

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For being abstinent from fornication to avoid masturbation...ask Jesus for help.

Psalm 19:12 Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults. 13 Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression. 14 Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O Lord, my strength, and my redeemer.

1 Peter 4:12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you: 13 But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.

1 Peter 5:6 Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time: 7 Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you. 8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: 9 Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world. 10 But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you. 11 To him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Ephesians 6:10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. 11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. 13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand....16Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.

1 Corinthians 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall. 13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

2 Corinthians 10:4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds 5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; 6 And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.

Philippians 4:6 Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God. 7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus. 8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. 9 Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do: and the God of peace shall be with you.

If you are still burning because of the environment you are in or if you are not paying attention to Jesus as your Good Shepherd when He is letting you know what you are doing that is sowing to the flesh with your eyes or with your mind...

1 Corinthians 7:1
Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman. 2 Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband. 3 Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband. 4 The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife. 5 Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency. 6 But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment. 7 For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that. 8 I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, it is good for them if they abide even as I. 9 But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.

The Lord Jesus Christ helped me to bring my body under subjection and still rely on Him in keeping me from falling as I rest in Him to present me faultless to His glory.

Wet dreams and the sinful dreams are those things I give over to the Lord to forgive me and to deal with in leading me away from temptations, even in dreams, & He does.

It is a race to be run, and it is by faith in Jesus Christ that He will finish it, so hope in Him when sins seem like they are having dominion over you & He will set you free. Believe Him.

dayhiker said:

I understand that will is involved. Those who think wet dreams are bad say once we clean up who we think while we are awake
will find that our dream life also gets cleaned up.

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More often times than not, we may be sowing to the flesh of what we may think as tame or hardly inciting, but yet at night, the sinful old man nature will replay that and expound on that dormant moment to make it a temptation in catching us sleeping.

This is where we need to trust Jesus to help us see what is the cause of it, even if it be after the fact wherein we can lean on Him to not "feed" the flesh again that would create a wet dream event.

1 John 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. 17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

Believe it or not, the pride of life as society influence us to find appealing is a snare.

2 Corinthians 10:7 Do ye look on things after the outward appearance? if any man trust to himself that he is Christ's, let him of himself think this again, that, as he is Christ's, even so are we Christ's.

Colossians 3:1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. 2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. 3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. 4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory. 5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: 6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience: 7 In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.

Shouldn't this be between the Christian and his/her God?

The flesh is that desire within us to do evil, to hurt other people and to forsake Jesus.
Thankfully masturbating does none of those things and isn't called a sin by God any where, so its not part of our flesh.
Also I've not has a wet dream in 40 some years. So that's not on my radar at all.

I love being risen with Christ and having the Holy Spirit live in me opening doors weekly to share with people how much God loves them.
Which I can speak of 1st hand because I feel so much love coming from God that it just bubbles over with friendship toward everyone
I meet and they just want to be friends back to me which opens us up for long talks about our life and love brings healing to all.
Praise Jesus for being so much pleasure into our lives.

TheBarrd said:

Shouldn't this be between the Christian and his/her God?

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Paul did not treat it as such in regards to his epistle to the church at Corinth.

2 Corinthians 12:21 And lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and that I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not repented of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed.

I reckon if believers were not bragging about it, not talking about it, or not hiding that sin that they can be seen by other believers in the assembly as believers that walk in darkness with the church not doing anything about it, they may think it is okay to do that.

Ephesians 5:3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;

So it is more than just a sin between them & God. It requires His love to correct.

1 John 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. 4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full. 5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. 6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

When any believer in this forum does not believe masturbation is a sin, it requires His love to correct them. Otherwise, that is not loving one another as He would have us do

Granted, they may not believe it, but then we are to leave the convicting up to God after correcting them ( and sometimes we need His help as to know enough was said to walk away ) since only God can cause the increase in opening their ears to hear.

The Apostle Paul will never agree that we should touch.

Never!

Wow I have been awarded with a trophy "can't stop" and I was just a member less than 24 hours.

Is this a record here?

Tellastory said:

Paul did not treat it as such in regards to his epistle to the church at Corinth.

2 Corinthians 12:21 And lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and that I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not repented of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed.

I reckon if believers were not bragging about it, not talking about it, or not hiding that sin that they can be seen by other believers in the assembly as believers that walk in darkness with the church not doing anything about it, they may think it is okay to do that.

Ephesians 5:3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;

So it is more than just a sin between them & God. It requires His love to correct.

1 John 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. 4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full. 5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. 6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

When any believer in this forum does not believe masturbation is a sin, it requires His love to correct them. Otherwise, that is not loving one another as He would have us do

Granted, they may not believe it, but then we are to leave the convicting up to God after correcting them ( and sometimes we need His help as to know enough was said to walk away ) since only God can cause the increase in opening their ears to hear.

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First of all, I'm not sure it's a sin. The only advice I would dare give anyone would be, if you think it is, don't do it.
And secondly, I am quite sure that we are told not to judge one another.