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Does it really matter? God said it and that should settle the issue. The bible NEVER says why. It is the height of arrogance to think that we can mind-read God to get all of his motivations and reasons.
Indeed, does He not tell us that His ways are above our ways and His thoughts above our thoughts?
That is such a Greek way of looking at it. (which I reject)Everything in God's Word matters. Everything in God's Word has spiritual meaning if you look for it.
That is such a Greek way of looking at it. (which I reject)
Looking for an answer to a question is one thing. (probably good) Looking keeps us digging and pressing into God.
Thinking you may have found it is quite another. (maybe not so good)
There is an old joke about a congregant who comes into his synagogue one day and tells the rabbi "I have just found the answers to all our burning questions in Judaism!" The rabbi slaps him up side the head and says "Fool; do you realize what you have done? It is the questions that keep us together."
I submit it should be the same for us in Christianity.
So one can see that there are a lot of things that are named as unclean. The interesting thing is not one time does masturbation come up in these lists of things that are unclean. So why would someone pick out uncleanness in Paul's lists and say that referres to masturbation?
Uncleanness from a man in the O.T. is when he has an issue. ( sperm ) One can argue the point that it only means hygiene instructions as far as the marriage bed goes.
But now in the N.T., uncleanness as listed as a work of the flesh and among the sexual sins, it cannot mean anything else except masturbation when listed with fornication and lasciviousness which means sexual excessiveness.
So the problem IS avoiding defining what that uncleanness is because the believers that are engaged in it, do not want to believe that it is a sin when it has a hold on them like that, but that is one of the sins that Jesus came for to deliver us from; that infirmity in the flesh to not obey it to fulfill the lust thereof. Do not gloss over verse 19 below.
Romans 6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. 12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. 13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you:........... 18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness. 19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
Now try to explain how that cannot mean masturbation at all, but then again, only God can help you see the truth here as well as our need for Him to overcome this sin & to keep us from it.
Romans 12:1I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
Ephesians 6:10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. 11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. 13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
Then tell me what God has taught you about what uncleanness is as listed as a work of the flesh and among the sexual sins of the N.T.
It is one thing to say that it is my private interpretation, but yet it is another to show me what it actually means in according to what God has taught you. You have not yet told me anything about what God has taught you on what that uncleanness means in the N.T.
You've listed some of the reasons. Sex was another reason. Menstruation was yet another.Really? Most cases of tamay, or ritual uncleanness, had nothing to do with sex. Most cases were from running (infected) sores, mold issues and proximity to a dead body.
It is a matter of authority. And you have that exact same authority over him.
Since Paul wrote 1 Corinthians in the first century.Since when does my husband have any authority over what I do with my own body? The only person with any authority over my own body is ME.
OK - fine. Take it up with God on Judgement day.That's your right. It's also my right and KTS' right not to do so.
Again, it's your right to believe that this will occur. I have no problem with that. It's none of my business.OK - fine. Take it up with God on Judgement day.
Since Paul wrote 1 Corinthians in the first century.
1 Corinthians 6:19 Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own?
20 For you have been bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body.
Hey - you get complete control over your husband's body as well.Yeah, some guy who lived 2000 years ago doesn't get to tell me who has control over my body.
No threat intended. I gotta stand there too.Such veiled threats are rather unbecoming.
I don't want that. I would never want that.Hey - you get complete control over your husband's body as well.
It is just not a one way street with you being the recipient of abuse.
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