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<blockquote data-quote="Charlie7399" data-source="post: 68995957" data-attributes="member: 329723"><p>"You must, therefore, confess that by 'individual' you mean no other person than the bourgeois, than the middle-class owner of property. This person must indeed, be swept out of the way, and made impossible."</p><p></p><p>Just a quote from Marx's "Manifesto of the Communist Party". People try to fool themselves by saying "oh, that was not REAL Marxism", but the truth is that it is. Even if you argue that he didn't mean anything violent with that quote (which is ridiculous, the man was calling for revolution), the logical outcome of any country that tries out orthodox Marxism is a bloodthirsty dictatorship. It happened every single time, from the USSR to Cuba and Cambodia.</p><p></p><p>Also, Capitalism is not an ideology. It's an economic system. You can't blame an economic system for wars. Ideologies that adopt Capitalism have caused much harm too, yes, but not <em>for</em> Capitalism. Maybe it was for money, but money has existed since Antiquity. If you talk about Marxism, you talk about the whole bag, revolutionary bloodthirstiness included.</p><p></p><p>Classical Democratic Marxism just means that the dictatorship "of the proletariat" will come through democratic means. It is more respectful than orthodox, revolutionary Marxism, but the end goal is the same. If you're talking about "modern" Democratic Marxism (i.e. Social Democracy), you do need to realise that this ideology can hardly be called "Marxist" anymore.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Charlie7399, post: 68995957, member: 329723"] "You must, therefore, confess that by 'individual' you mean no other person than the bourgeois, than the middle-class owner of property. This person must indeed, be swept out of the way, and made impossible." Just a quote from Marx's "Manifesto of the Communist Party". People try to fool themselves by saying "oh, that was not REAL Marxism", but the truth is that it is. Even if you argue that he didn't mean anything violent with that quote (which is ridiculous, the man was calling for revolution), the logical outcome of any country that tries out orthodox Marxism is a bloodthirsty dictatorship. It happened every single time, from the USSR to Cuba and Cambodia. Also, Capitalism is not an ideology. It's an economic system. You can't blame an economic system for wars. Ideologies that adopt Capitalism have caused much harm too, yes, but not [I]for[/I] Capitalism. Maybe it was for money, but money has existed since Antiquity. If you talk about Marxism, you talk about the whole bag, revolutionary bloodthirstiness included. Classical Democratic Marxism just means that the dictatorship "of the proletariat" will come through democratic means. It is more respectful than orthodox, revolutionary Marxism, but the end goal is the same. If you're talking about "modern" Democratic Marxism (i.e. Social Democracy), you do need to realise that this ideology can hardly be called "Marxist" anymore. [/QUOTE]
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