Is Joe Biden Anti-Women and Anti-Girls?

[JustSomeBloke]

I was reading an opinion-editorial earlier, saying that Joe Biden's decision to completely withdraw troops from Afghanistan was the most anti-women and anti-girls thing he could do. Undoubtedly the complete withdrawal sent a clear message to the Taliban that the moment they had been waiting for had finally arrived, and almost 20 years of human rights improvements for women and girls could be rolled back. Surely it was fairly obvious that once the Taliban gained a foothold, there would be a swift reversal of women's and girl's rights in any area of Afghanistan that the Taliban gained control over. So why send such a clear indication to the whole world that women's and girl's rights don't matter? And we can already see that the reversal of women's and girl's rights is indeed happening right now, and has already begun. Why did Joe Biden care so little for the women and girls of Afghanistan?

 

[Subdood]

Our departure from Afghanistan is one of the most embarrassing, despicable, back-stabbing things we've ever done as a nation.

We were actually on the cusp of finally getting them and other friendlies in those regions to trust Americans, but then the Democrats manipulated themselves back into power and this happens.

Shameful.

 

[Nithavela]

Our departure from Afghanistan is one of the most embarrassing, despicable, back-stabbing things we've ever done as a nation.

We were actually on the cusp of finally getting them and other friendlies in those regions to trust Americans, but then the Democrats manipulated themselves back into power and this happens.

Shameful.

Donald Trump calls Afghanistan withdrawal 'a wonderful and positive thing to do' and criticizes Biden's timeline - CNNPolitics

Trump thinks it was fine. He would have gone a bit faster, though.

 

[Bradskii]

I was reading an opinion-editorial earlier, saying that Joe Biden's decision to completely withdraw troops from Afghanistan was the most anti-women and anti-girls thing he could do. Undoubtedly the complete withdrawal sent a clear message to the Taliban that the moment they had been waiting for had finally arrived, and almost 20 years of human rights improvements for women and girls could be rolled back. Surely it was fairly obvious that once the Taliban gained a foothold, there would be a swift reversal of women's and girl's rights in any area of Afghanistan that the Taliban gained control over. So why send such a clear indication to the whole world that women's and girl's rights don't matter? And we can already see that the reversal of women's and girl's rights is indeed happening right now, and has already begun. Why did Joe Biden care so little for the women and girls of Afghanistan?

This subject is a tough one. There are excellent opinions on both sides: that it's the right thing to pull out - it's not our problem (and I say 'our problem' as there have been Australian troops there) and that we should stay. And accept the costs.

But to frame the withdrawal in the way you just did is shameful.

 

[Subdood]

Donald Trump calls Afghanistan withdrawal 'a wonderful and positive thing to do' and criticizes Biden's timeline - CNNPolitics

Trump thinks it was fine. He would have gone a bit faster, though.

Now you're sourcing Trump?

...and P.S. I disagree with him on this.

 

[Nithavela]

Now you're sourcing Trump?

...and P.S. I disagree with him on this.

You better don't say that too loud, or you'll get kicked out of the republican cool kids club.

 

[JustSomeBloke]

The simple fact is that Joe Biden is in charge of this, not Donald Trump. Joe Biden could have stopped this if he cared about the women and girls of Afghanistan.

And in any case, Trump is having none of it. He's not accepting the blame. And why should he? He's not president anymore.

“Had our 2020 presidential election not been rigged, and if I were now president, the world would find that our withdrawal from Afghanistan would be a conditions-based withdrawal,” Mr. Trump said. “I personally had discussions with top Taliban leaders whereby they understood what they are doing now would not have been acceptable.”


“It would have been a much different and much more successful withdrawal, and the Taliban understood that better than anyone,” he said. “What is going on now is not acceptable. It should have been done much better.”

I think the reality is that the Taliban knew Joe Biden was a weak leader, and that they would get away with totally taking over Afghanistan. When the last US plane left the last US base in Afghanistan, that was the starting gun for the Taliban, and they haven't wasted any time whatsoever. Joe Biden has left Afghan women and girls to fend for themselves.

 

[A_Thinker]

Our departure from Afghanistan is one of the most embarrassing, despicable, back-stabbing things we've ever done as a nation.

We were actually on the cusp of finally getting them and other friendlies in those regions to trust Americans, but then the Democrats manipulated themselves back into power and this happens.

Shameful.

From ... Overwhelming majority backs US withdrawal from Afghanistan: poll

"An overwhelming majority of voters support the US withdrawal from Afghanistan, a new Hill-HarrisX poll finds.

Seventy-three percent of registered voters in the April 24-27 survey said they approve of President Biden's plan to remove US troops from the country by September 11, the 20th anniversary of the terrorist attacks that ignited the conflict."

 

[A_Thinker]

Now you're sourcing Trump?

...and P.S. I disagree with him on this.

You're one of the 27% who does ...

 

[A_Thinker]

I think the reality is that the Taliban knew Joe Biden was a weak leader, and that they would get away with totally taking over Afghanistan. When the last US plane left the last US base in Afghanistan, that was the starting gun for the Taliban, and they haven't wasted any time whatsoever. Joe Biden has left Afghan women and girls to fend for themselves.

The US leaves women and girls to fend for themselves in nearly every other nation ... which isn't the US ...

 

[JustSomeBloke]

This subject is a tough one. There are excellent opinions on both sides: that it's the right thing to pull out - it's not our problem (and I say 'our problem' as there have been Australian troops there) and that we should stay. And accept the costs.

Britain has been involved too. But America has far greater military resources, so once Joe Biden decided to pull America out, everyone else followed.

And for the record, I'm not a fan of Western involvement in Middle-East troubles. I think it's time they sorted their own problems. However, having invested 20 years and many lives, I think it made sense to retain a small deterrent presence in Afghanistan. The US currently has tens of thousands in South Korea, and has been there a very long time, so retaining a presence in Afghanistan wouldn't have been much of a drain on resources. Total pull out has been a disaster, because it sent the message that America wouldn't resist the Taliban.

But to frame the withdrawal in the way you just did is shameful.

That was the framing of a UK female opinion-editorial writer (and I happen to agree with her). Would you dare to mansplain to a woman op-ed writer that her framing of women and girls seized by the Taliban is 'shameful'? The writer reportedly has a daughter, so I expect you might get a furious reaction. I guess you're upset, because it reveals Joe Biden to be the exact opposite of a progressive.

The US leaves women and girls to fend for themselves in nearly every other nation ... which isn't the US ...

That is very true. But having invested so much for almost two decades, totally pulling out now seems to make little sense.

 

[Subdood]

From ... Overwhelming majority backs US withdrawal from Afghanistan: poll

"An overwhelming majority of voters support the US withdrawal from Afghanistan, a new Hill-HarrisX poll finds.

Seventy-three percent of registered voters in the April 24-27 survey said they approve of President Biden's plan to remove US troops from the country by September 11, the 20th anniversary of the terrorist attacks that ignited the conflict."

You're one of the 27% who does ...

So my opinion isn't the popular one. Go figure.

Curious, since you're citing what's popular, is that how you form your opinions - by finding out what's popular first?

 

[A_Thinker]

So my opinion isn't the popular one. Go figure.

Curious, since you're citing what's popular, is that how you form your opinions - by finding out what's popular first?

We are a nation "of the people" after all ...

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

And people say America isn't an empire. The OP is literally arguing that the USA should stay there to protect liberal notions of feminism in a country and society that does not want nor asked for such things. The USA is not the end point of human development and has no business in Afghanistan. At most you should have gone there, killed as many Taliban and Al-Qaida members as possible and left. Instead you tried to nation build and completely failed. The sloppy withdraw combined with America breaking it's promise when it would withdraw gives them absolutely no legitimacy to lecture anyone.

 

[mindfulzen]

It may be to cynical for your taste, but here is how I see it. USA needs a new war, the military industrial complex needs orderbooks filled up again. The F35s are currently being delivered around the world, someone want them tested in actual combat situations. Let Taliban take over, then bomb and invade. Then they can weed out glitches in the F35, and test the central controlsystem that links planes from all NATO countries, to one hub, so USA knows their capabilities in future wars.

Not like there is any good news national, bad economy, printing money, schools closed, bad weather, bad prez, it is a mess. Very divided. So shifting focus to a war is smart from an oval office perspective. That unites, since one side is patriotic, and the other side just support DNC reflexively no matter what. And it seems to be the default for any prez apart from Trump, get into office, just mess up, better start a war to drown out all the mess they do on the job demostic.

I might make a thread discussing that issue isolated.

 

[Subdood]

We are a nation "of the people" after all ...

And...?

 

[Bradskii]

That was the framing of a UK female opinion-editorial writer (and I happen to agree with her). Would you dare to mansplain to a woman op-ed writer that her framing of women and girls seized by the Taliban is 'shameful'? The writer reportedly has a daughter, so I expect you might get a furious reaction. I guess you're upset, because it reveals Joe Biden to be the exact opposite of a progressive.

I've just actually watched the BBC report to which you might have been referring. It was on the ABC news here in Australia. And it was well worth listening to. It made me think about what this decision will mean to the people living there. I am desperately concerned.

But to frame this potential humanitarian disaster in a way that implies that Biden doesn't care about women is nothing short of despicable. You apparently feel no shame in using human tragedies for cheap politcal point scoring.

It has been noted.

 

[mama2one]

Afghanistan: Why the US is there, why it's leaving, what will happen when it's gone - CNNPolitics



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"Why is Biden bent on removing the remaining 2,500 US troops?
Biden said in his speech Wednesday that no amount of US forces on the ground can deter the Taliban or end the war.

“It was not true when we had 98,000 US troops on the ground, and it won’t be true keeping [the current] 2,500 troops on the ground… We don’t think they are a game changer,” a source told CNN’s Christiane Amanpour.

The US will still use diplomatic and monetary leverage. What’s not at all clear is if those tools will get results where two decades of American military might have not."

 

[NBB]

For one i am all up for big countries to stop messing with the little ones and trying to bully everyone, but in the other hand, what a backstab to the afghan goverment and people, 'hey we don't have much interest anymore here, deal with this war you now stop the invasion yourself, we bail out, i wish you luck'. Yeah...

 

[Goonie]

With Al Qaeda and Isis fighting alongside the Taliban Biden has handed victory to Al Qaeda on the 20th anniversary of 9/11.