Is it possible that there is only one God...... for everyone?

[Dave RP]

I'm labelled as an atheist, maybe I should amend it to agnostic, because whilst I personally have no belief I always say that there may be something so far beyond our understanding that we label it "God". I acknowledge that the how the universe started and how life started are unexplained, and maybe the force that did it is "god" like and that's what believers follow.

That got me to thinking, IF there is this mysterious force and IF there is some form of after life I reckon that it will be the same for the entire population of the earth, that the God thingy will not punish one group of people because their education, culture or upbringing gave them a certain set of beliefs, he'll just see everyone as "human". I just can't believe that for example Einstein, Ghandi, David Attenborough (to name three examples) and all other non Christian people would be in eternal damnation just for not believing in Jesus.

When I hear Christians saying things like "every knee shall bend and everyone shall bow to Christ the King" it is like reading how societies were at the time the Bible was written, people were expected to bow to kings and worship Gods, society was very hierarchical. I reckon if there is a god he (it?) will be of such a vastly superior nature that the concept of "worshipping" will not be required, this entity, whatever it will be, will not require "praising" or "worshipping" which are solely human actions common at the time the Bible was written.

The holy scriptures of the Bible and all holy books of all faiths were written by humans claiming to be god inspired, my feeling is that IF (big big IF for me but there you are) they were then it was the same God for the writers, for Mormons, for Mohamed, for Hindus, well you get the picture.

I can't believe that this god would care about how anyone praised him or worshipped him or what words he or she spoke on a Friday, Saturday or a Sunday, we'll all be the same at then end.

What do you think?

 

[SkyWriting]

I'm labelled as an atheist, maybe I should amend it to agnostic, because whilst I personally have no belief I always say that there may be something so far beyond our understanding that we label it "God". I acknowledge that the how the universe started and how life started are unexplained, and maybe the force that did it is "god" like and that's what believers follow.

That got me to thinking, IF there is this mysterious force and IF there is some form of after life I reckon that it will be the same for the entire population of the earth, that the God thingy will not punish one group of people because their education, culture or upbringing gave them a certain set of beliefs, he'll just see everyone as "human". I just can't believe that for example Einstein, Ghandi, David Attenborough (to name three examples) and all other non Christian people would be in eternal damnation just for not believing in Jesus.

When I hear Christians saying things like "every knee shall bend and everyone shall bow to Christ the King" it is like reading how societies were at the time the Bible was written, people were expected to bow to kings and worship Gods, society was very hierarchical. I reckon if there is a god he (it?) will be of such a vastly superior nature that the concept of "worshipping" will not be required, this entity, whatever it will be, will not require "praising" or "worshipping" which are solely human actions common at the time the Bible was written.

The holy scriptures of the Bible and all holy books of all faiths were written by humans claiming to be god inspired, my feeling is that IF (big big IF for me but there you are) they were then it was the same God for the writers, for Mormons, for Mohamed, for Hindus, well you get the picture.

I can't believe that this god would care about how anyone praised him or worshipped him or what words he or she spoke on a Friday, Saturday or a Sunday, we'll all be the same at then end.

What do you think?

The only way into hell is to reject God's Holy Spirit.
Calling on God using the wrong name is not listed
as a sin that cannot be forgiven. You are correct,
there is only one God.

 

[Quid est Veritas?]

There is only one God.

All human religion that is directed to God, therefore must be directed to Him. As I see it, Christianity is the closest to the correct worship of God. The others aren't completely wrong, but have elements of it. The only religion that seems to make sense of other religions, is Christianity.
What I mean is that if I take Christianity and juxtapose it to another religion, does it bring more out of it? Does Christianity appear as the missing page from the others' story? This is what I see when I read of dying and reborn gods, or ideas like One ultimate reality, or whatnot. Christianity brings more sense to a disunited field, in my view.

It is the problem of Emeth. CS Lewis has a character in Narnia that worships the god Tash with all his heart. At the end of the world, he is found in the True Narnia afterlife. Aslan tells him that "All good you do belongs to me", as He is the source of all good.

I think that the Incarnation of Christ is the operative event in history. The path associated with it, derived from it, is therefore the correct one. The other religions are pale sussurations thereof, usually the layers of human myth from which the Truth became crystalised - to borrow again from Lewis. Christianity anyway cares far more about intent, the Law written upon the heart, than the externalisation thereof.

 

[Adstar]

I'm labelled as an atheist, maybe I should amend it to agnostic, because whilst I personally have no belief I always say that there may be something so far beyond our understanding that we label it "God". I acknowledge that the how the universe started and how life started are unexplained, and maybe the force that did it is "god" like and that's what believers follow.

That got me to thinking, IF there is this mysterious force and IF there is some form of after life I reckon that it will be the same for the entire population of the earth, that the God thingy will not punish one group of people because their education, culture or upbringing gave them a certain set of beliefs, he'll just see everyone as "human". I just can't believe that for example Einstein, Ghandi, David Attenborough (to name three examples) and all other non Christian people would be in eternal damnation just for not believing in Jesus.

When I hear Christians saying things like "every knee shall bend and everyone shall bow to Christ the King" it is like reading how societies were at the time the Bible was written, people were expected to bow to kings and worship Gods, society was very hierarchical. I reckon if there is a god he (it?) will be of such a vastly superior nature that the concept of "worshipping" will not be required, this entity, whatever it will be, will not require "praising" or "worshipping" which are solely human actions common at the time the Bible was written.

The holy scriptures of the Bible and all holy books of all faiths were written by humans claiming to be god inspired, my feeling is that IF (big big IF for me but there you are) they were then it was the same God for the writers, for Mormons, for Mohamed, for Hindus, well you get the picture.

I can't believe that this god would care about how anyone praised him or worshipped him or what words he or she spoke on a Friday, Saturday or a Sunday, we'll all be the same at then end.

What do you think?

I think God is perfect and has His will for mankind.. One will.. He does not give contradictory wills to different people..

I believe that satan and the fallen angels in league with him foster religions so as to gain worship from humans who believe they are worshipping gods.. satan desires to be worshipped as a god..

So i disagree with your thoughts about all religions being created by the same God.. There are a lot of demonic imposters roaming about fooling peoples into worshipping them as gods.. But God has given his will and those who have a love for His truth will be drawn out of false religions. But those who love the false teachings of these false religions will be drawn away from God and when they hear and reject the Love of the truth of the LORD Jesus Christ they are given over to delusions and deceptions..

As the following scripture reveals::: In context..

2 Thessalonians 2: KJV
1- "Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, {2} That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. {3} Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; {4} Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. {5} Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? {6} And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. {7} For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. {8} And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: {9} Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, {10} And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. {11} And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: {12} That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."

 

[Tolworth John]

can't believe that this god would care about how anyone praised him or worshipped him or what words he or she spoke on a Friday, Saturday or a Sunday, we'll all be the same at then end.

If you look at any religion you will find that they all stipulate that worship is to be done in such and such a way.
May I throw a spanner in the works of your reasoning.
How would a policeman who stops you for traffic offences respond to the argument you've presented? How would a judge respond?
Both would ignor your arguments, saying that you have to obey the laws of the land, that your opinion of there validity was not important.

You have to evaluate the different religions and determine which is true.
I'm biased as I say Christianity is true and I'll supply one reason.
All religion expect the worshipper to placate the object of worship, to be worthy of that gods love etc.
OnlyChristianity says that we are loved despite not being lovable and that we donot have to earn or deserveour salvation. That it is offered as a free gift to those who would accept it.

 

[Dave RP]

I think God is perfect and has His will for mankind.. One will.. He does not give contradictory wills to different people..

I believe that satan and the fallen angels in league with him foster religions so as to gain worship from humans who believe they are worshipping gods.. satan desires to be worshipped as a god..

So i disagree with your thoughts about all religions being created by the same God.. There are a lot of demonic imposters roaming about fooling peoples into worshipping them as gods.. But God has given his will and those who have a love for His truth will be drawn out of false religions. But those who love the false teachings of these false religions will be drawn away from God and when they hear and reject the Love of the truth of the LORD Jesus Christ they are given over to delusions and deceptions..

As the following scripture reveals::: In context..

2 Thessalonians 2: KJV
1- "Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, {2} That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. {3} Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; {4} Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. {5} Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? {6} And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. {7} For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. {8} And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: {9} Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, {10} And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. {11} And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: {12} That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."

Sorry I think I wasn't clear, I think all religions are man made, maybe there is a mysterious force out there but its interpretation is solely man made, hence why there are innumerable religions in the world.

Ergo I think that if there is a god, it'll not be the god of any organised religion, just an unimaginable concept.

 

[inquiring mind]

I'm labelled as an atheist, maybe I should amend it to agnostic, because whilst I personally have no belief I always say that there may be something so far beyond our understanding that we label it "God". I acknowledge that the how the universe started and how life started are unexplained, and maybe the force that did it is "god" like and that's what believers follow.

Yes, there is only one true God, trying to label Him according to our various and limited understandings are where the differences come into play. I believe that the basics of how the universe started and how life started are “explained” in Genesis, once again the "understanding" is the difficult part.

That got me to thinking, IF there is this mysterious force and IF there is some form of after life I reckon that it will be the same for the entire population of the earth, that the God thingy will not punish one group of people because their education, culture or upbringing gave them a certain set of beliefs, he'll just see everyone as "human". I just can't believe that for example Einstein, Ghandi, David Attenborough (to name three examples) and all other non Christian people would be in eternal damnation just for not believing in Jesus.

Everything you say makes sense from an inquisitive human being’s viewpoint. However, Jesus didn’t mix words when He said, "No one comes to the Father except through me" (John 14:6). Jesus is God in the flesh and many try to limit Him to that manifestation only, when God can also be seen in nature and everything else in His creation. From the Creation of man, he has been exposed to God’s wonders. Romans 1:19-20 tells us that there is no excuse for not knowing Him. As such, God is the ultimate judge of everyone’s heart depending on what He has seen fit for them to be exposed to, and that includes the three individuals you name.

When I hear Christians saying things like "every knee shall bend and everyone shall bow to Christ the King" it is like reading how societies were at the time the Bible was written, people were expected to bow to kings and worship Gods, society was very hierarchical. I reckon if there is a god he (it?) will be of such a vastly superior nature that the concept of "worshipping" will not be required, this entity, whatever it will be, will not require "praising" or "worshipping" which are solely human actions common at the time the Bible was written.

I don’t think Christians worship Christ because they necessarily feel required to; I believe all true Christians worship Him because they want to.

The holy scriptures of the Bible and all holy books of all faiths were written by humans claiming to be god inspired, my feeling is that IF (big big IF for me but there you are) they were then it was the same God for the writers, for Mormons, for Mohamed, for Hindus, well you get the picture.

I can't believe that this god would care about how anyone praised him or worshipped him or what words he or she spoke on a Friday, Saturday or a Sunday, we'll all be the same at then end.

What do you think?

Once again, everything you say makes sense from an inquisitive human being’s viewpoint. But, no one of flesh and blood alone is able to speak definitely concerning divine understanding. In the centuries of recorded human history, only one has been able to speak accordingly “without” being tripped-up or exposed in some way as being only human... Jesus Christ. Every aspect of His existence has been scrutinized by religious leaders, political authorities, scholars, unbelievers and even believers. Despite all the effort expended, there has never been one shred of evidence produced that disproves He is who He says He is. You might say that in your opinion there is no evidence that proves He is. But, the question is how many other disciplines have had a fraction of the widespread thought and research done on any conclusion without a single negative result being found, and you not be willing to accept it as the truth? Maybe the Lord wants you to research; maybe He wants you to ‘come and see’.

 

[Dave RP]

If you look at any religion you will find that they all stipulate that worship is to be done in such and such a way.
May I throw a spanner in the works of your reasoning.
How would a policeman who stops you for traffic offences respond to the argument you've presented? How would a judge respond?
Both would ignor your arguments, saying that you have to obey the laws of the land, that your opinion of there validity was not important.

You have to evaluate the different religions and determine which is true.
I'm biased as I say Christianity is true and I'll supply one reason.
All religion expect the worshipper to placate the object of worship, to be worthy of that gods love etc.
OnlyChristianity says that we are loved despite not being lovable and that we donot have to earn or deserveour salvation. That it is offered as a free gift to those who would accept it.

Yeah I get your point, but what I was saying was that these rules are only set by people who think they've got gods message, but you don't know if god was ever involved. I still think there is no religion, but maybe there is a god. I certainly don't think he will require us to worship him. Perhaps I'm wrong, we'll find out.

 

[Dave RP]

Yes, there is only one true God, trying to label Him according to our various and limited understandings are where the differences come into play. I believe that the basics of how the universe started and how life started are “explained” in Genesis, once again the "understanding" is the difficult part.




Everything you say makes sense from an inquisitive human being’s viewpoint. However, Jesus didn’t mix words when He said, "No one comes to the Father except through me" (John 14:6). Jesus is God in the flesh and many try to limit Him to that manifestation only, when God can also be seen in nature and everything else in His creation. From the Creation of man, he has been exposed to God’s wonders. Romans 1:19-20 tells us that there is no excuse for not knowing Him. As such, God is the ultimate judge of everyone’s heart depending on what He has seen fit for them to be exposed to, and that includes the three individuals you name.



I don’t think Christians worship Christ because they necessarily feel required to; I believe all true Christians worship Him because they want to.




Once again, everything you say makes sense from an inquisitive human being’s viewpoint. But, no one of flesh and blood alone is able to speak definitely concerning divine understanding. In the centuries of recorded human history, only one has been able to speak accordingly “without” being tripped-up or exposed in some way as being only human... Jesus Christ. Every aspect of His existence has been scrutinized by religious leaders, political authorities, scholars, unbelievers and even believers. Despite all the effort expended, there has never been one shred of evidence produced that disproves He is who He says He is. You might say that in your opinion there is no evidence that proves He is. But, the question is how many other disciplines have had a fraction of the widespread thought and research done on any conclusion without a single negative result being found, and you not be willing to accept it as the truth? Maybe the Lord wants you to research; maybe He wants you to ‘come and see’.

There are 15 million mormons believing in their messenger in only 200 years, no one has proved him wrong. Not a bad turn out?

 

[Tolworth John]

these rules are only set by people who think they've got gods message, but you don't know if god was ever involved.

How do you know that no God was involved in the formation of the bible?

If the bible is true, it is an amazing record of some extraordinary events.
A good case can be made for the reliability of the bible and if it is reliable and accurate then its claim that it was revealed by God has to be examined carefully.

 

[Dave RP]

How do you know that no God was involved in the formation of the bible?

If the bible is true, it is an amazing record of some extraordinary events.
A good case can be made for the reliability of the bible and if it is reliable and accurate then its claim that it was revealed by God has to be examined carefully.

I'm no bible student but from what I've read very large parts of the bible are obviously not reliable or accurate, a very large part of the Old Testament is blatant nonsense.

There's been numerous debates about that, my point was really about one god for everyone, if he exists, and Jesus is only one interpretation. I'm saying that if there is a god he will not be judging people on if that happened to believe in Jesus or not.

 

[inquiring mind]

There are 15 million mormons believing in their messenger in only 200 years, no one has proved him wrong. Not a bad turn out?

I’m not that acquainted with Mormon belief, but I think even Smith and today’s Mormons believe in Jesus Christ and His resurrection, with other variations of course.

 

[Dave RP]

I’m not that acquainted with Mormon belief, but I think even Smith and today’s Mormons believe in Jesus Christ and His resurrection, with other variations of course.

Yes I know, I was just saying the Smith believed his messages were from god, a common thread of all religious texts from all faiths. That's the point I'm making.

 

[ananda]

The holy scriptures of the Bible and all holy books of all faiths were ... claiming to be god inspired

Not the Buddhist scriptures.

Methinks, if "God" exists, and "God" is defined as being infallible, then it seems to me to be the height of folly to even entertain the prospect that it would deliver its message through fallible mediums such as human language, written documents, and intermediaries - all of which are subject to impermanence, and thus misinterpretation, decay, and irrelevance.

 

[Adstar]

Sorry I think I wasn't clear, I think all religions are man made, maybe there is a mysterious force out there but its interpretation is solely man made, hence why there are innumerable religions in the world.

Ergo I think that if there is a god, it'll not be the god of any organised religion, just an unimaginable concept.

And i think i was clear. I think Christianity is from God.. And thats why i replied as i did..

 

[Chriliman]

Not the Buddhist scriptures.

Methinks, if "God" exists, and "God" is defined as being infallible, then it seems to me to be the height of folly to even entertain the prospect that it would deliver its message through fallible mediums such as human language, written documents, and intermediaries - all of which are subject to impermanence, and thus misinterpretation, decay, and irrelevance.

Would you say accurate mathematics and logic are fallible? What about truth and love?

If not, why can't an infallible God use these infallible tools to communicate a message of infallible truth and love?

Methinks he could if indeed he does exist

 

[Tolworth John]

I'm no bible student but from what I've read very large parts of the bible are obviously not reliable or accurate, a very large part of the Old Testament is blatant nonsense.

There's been numerous debates about that, my point was really about one god for everyone, if he exists, and Jesus is only one interpretation. I'm saying that if there is a god he will not be judging people on if that happened to believe in Jesus or not.

It is easy to claim that the bible is not reliable or accurate or nonsense.
What about providing evidence that it is unreliable etc.

God judging on belief in Jesus, that is just what Jesus does say in John ch 3 verses 16-18.

May I suggest that you have a look at the coldcasechristianity web site for a dectectives view on the bible.

 

[ananda]

Would you say accurate mathematics and logic are fallible? What about truth and love?

If not, why can't an infallible God use these infallible tools to communicate a message of infallible truth and love?

Methinks he could if indeed he does exist

Mathematics & logic are methodologies which attempt to conceptualize universal truths. Truth is simply truth. Love is an expression of attachment and greed. None of the above are either fallible or infallible in and of themselves, as none of them are created by mankind, but are simply truths which we apprehend regarding reality itself.

Language, however, is a tool created by mankind. Language which we use to communicate these - and other - truths regarding reality to one another is fallible. One person's understanding of any word in any language is likely different from another person's understanding of the same word, whether to a minute or greater degree.

IMO an allegedly infallible deity who supposedly uses fallible tools to deliver its message is not worthy to be considered infallible.

 

[ananda]

It is easy to claim that the bible is not reliable or accurate or nonsense.
What about providing evidence that it is unreliable etc.

What do you think of this evidence?

 

[Tolworth John]

I can't view video/utube etc do you have a written example.
While looking for that please provide the evidence that Jesus did not rise from the dead.