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CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.
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It is pointless to argue with anyone on a position that they didn't argue themselves into in the first place.
Or, to put it in the words of Dr Gregory House: "you can't reason someone out of a position that they didn't reason themselves into"
That goes for anyone with unreasonable beliefs that are borderline dogmatic.
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Hate is an emotion. Rational arguments and emotions don´t get in touch.
On another note, when you find yourself ascribing certain emotions to others, you have already overstepped the boundaries of your expertise, and chances are that you are but projecting.
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I don't know as I would call them haters they just don't like hearing things that are contrary to their thoughts, if they didn't think of it it can't be true...
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Then why are they here on CF?I don't know as I would call them haters they just don't like hearing things that are contrary to their thoughts, if they didn't think of it it can't be true...
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To be perfectly honest, I don't know what my motivations are. But I mean those who pronounce the death penalty on those who have sinned differently then them. Like after the Orlando shooting, the church was divided. Some praised the shooter (haters), while others, even though they disagreed with their sin, grieved for the families that lost loved ones. I am one of those people that grieves. But I see that there are a lot of haters that believed that they should have died on these Christian sites. And I was wondering if I should just leave it alone.
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Because people just hate, they don't need a reason. They hate anyone or anything that will hold them accountable for their behavior. They hate anyone who would suggest moral absolutes. In essence, their children, and like all children they are best seen and not heard. Just ignore them.
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May I make a suggestion?
When you divide the world in haters and people with positive intentions, you may just not have understood the positive intentions of those who you identified as haters and vice versa.
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Because they hoped they would be sheltered from those beliefs that are contrary to their own beliefs?
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I don't know as I would call them haters they just don't like hearing things that are contrary to their thoughts, if they didn't think of it it can't be true...
But you're not that way?
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Not necessarily. There are levels of "argument". If it is a one-on-one argument without exposure to anyone else, at some point, there must be discernment as to whether or not to continue the discussion/argument.
If there are others that witness the discussion/argument, such as in an internet forum or in the public square, there is again discernment on when to stop the discussion/argument (i.e. when the opponent appears closed). However the difference when there are other witnesses present or have access to the argument, you really have no idea how God is working in the heart of the witnesses. So it always important to discuss/argue in truth and grace, realizing that you may be effecting lives you had no idea. It has happened to me. I was involved in a discussion with a very closed opponent, yet weeks later someone outside of the discussion sent me a note thanking me for the encouragement that they found in my side of the discussion. This is not meant to brag, because I am nothing apart from the grace of God, but my point is, you never know who is listening. And for the Christian, the audience to which you are presenting is God (not saying that your opponent is God, but that one day, you will give account before God for every word spoken from your mouth, or written down).
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