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Is it ok to preach Doctrines

Avniel

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I think its okay to teach Doctrines and Covenants.
Why do you feel so? I would rather just hear the bible no interpretation. I dont want to hear want man thinks because man is flawed and imperfect I just want to hear what God has to say. I dont like going to churches where their doctrine is constantly preached(even my own denomination).

Why do you think its okay to preach Doctrines?
 
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When you preach the Bible you will preach doctrines. Doctrines are important, they define our faith. They establish if we are following Christ, or a false messiah and a different gospel.

You say you just want the Bible? The word doctrine is found in the NASB 10 times.

(Eph 4:14)
As a result, we are no longer to be children, tossed here and there by waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, by craftiness in deceitful scheming;

(1Ti 4:6)
In pointing out these things to the brethren, you will be a good servant of Christ Jesus, constantly nourished on the words of the faith and of the sound doctrine which you have been following.

(1Ti 6:1)
All who are under the yoke as slaves are to regard their own masters as worthy of all honor so that the name of God and our doctrine will not be spoken against.

(1Ti 6:3)
If anyone advocates a different doctrine and does not agree with sound words, those of our Lord Jesus Christ, and with the doctrine conforming to godliness,

(2Ti 4:3)
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires,

(Tit 1:9)
holding fast the faithful word which is in accordance with the teaching, so that he will be able both to exhort in sound doctrine and to refute those who contradict.

(Tit 2:1)
But as for you, speak the things which are fitting for sound doctrine.

(Tit 2:7)
in all things show yourself to be an example of good deeds, with purity in doctrine, dignified,

(Tit 2:10)
not pilfering, but showing all good faith so that they will adorn the doctrine of God our Savior in every respect.
 
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I was visiting a church, and as the pastor was preaching he countinued to say that there is no trinity(and also condemned those that believed in the trinity). Honestly from my understanding I always thought there was a trinity and that was my first time hearing "God only" as they refered to it. And I just felt like I lost a sunday you know. I felt like he did have a word because I went to that church's bible study and I learned a great deal. But I was completly disappointed in the sunday service. I'm not saying not to touch doctrine (I even heard a pastor say non denomination churches have no identity......dnt know if that true but I can understand the statement). It just throw me off, you know.
 
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The Trinity is a great example why doctrine must be preached. How would people know that pastor was teaching heresy if they had never been taught proper doctrine?

Are you still looking for a church? I would suggest a Calvary Chapel if there is one in your area.
 
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The Trinity is a great example why doctrine must be preached. How would people know that pastor was teaching heresy if they had never been taught proper doctrine?

Are you still looking for a church? I would suggest a Calvary Chapel if there is one in your area.
I think doctrine should be taught but I don't think it should be preached. Now if I went to a church and the whole service was on the trinity I would be disappointed also...........the entire service, you know how annoyed I was after service.

I normally go to a COGIC church or Baptist, I was invited to goto that church but I think from now on I am just going to stick to what I know..

But you know I could have been blessed by the word if he just taught the word not his churches belief.
 
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Eph 4:11 And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers,
Eph 4:12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ;
Eph 4:13 until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ.
Eph 4:14 As a result, we are no longer to be children, tossed here and there by waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, by craftiness in deceitful scheming;
Eph 4:15 but speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in all aspects into Him who is the head, even Christ,
Eph 4:16 from whom the whole body, being fitted and held together by what every joint supplies, according to the proper working of each individual part, causes the growth of the body for the building up of itself in love.


In large part....to teach sound doctrine so that people are not blown about by the winds of false doctrine. So that the men and women of God grow to mature believers engaging in their own acts of service/ministry.

The Gospel is built of doctrines. Here are some examples:
the doctrine of original sin
the doctrine of the atonement
the doctrine of Christ as God incarnate
the doctrine of grace

I was a sinner. What does that mean? How did I become one? How is it that solved? All these require the preacher to address doctrines.
 
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I don't see how you could try and understand Scripture and not come to some kind of doctrine. It's as if you are trying to just read the Bible without coming to conclusions on anything, which is impossible.

Preaching to the saved and preaching to the unsaved are completely different. A lost person need only come to an understanding of their sin and Christ so that they may be saved, but a born-again Christian has entirely different issues that they need to work through. Really, it's difficult to work through the Bible without coming face-to-face with doctrinal issues. Some books, most of the work is teaching (by the way, for the next few paragraphs please know that I don't mean to overwhelm you).

For example, At least half of the book of Romans is doctrine or teaching: Who has sinned, how they are judged, the state of humanity, justification by faith, freedom from sin, the condemnation of sin through Christ, election, the grafting in of Gentiles, and many other things.

John - Being born again, looking unto Christ, free offer of the Gospel, "no man can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him," being taught of God, the Scriptures pointing to Christ, sanctification.

Galatians - Justification by faith, the two covenants, preaching another Gospel, the futility of the old covanant, the purpose of the Old Covenant, the ramifications of the promise to Abraham, alienation from Christ in the covanant of works.

1 Corinthians - Divisions in the church, expulsion of immorality, supporting church leaders, marriage, divorce, remarriage, the gifts and their proper uses, the balance of love, approaching the Lord's supper, freedom of conscience, headship in the household and in Christ, ordering worship, the importance of Christ's resurrection, our own resurrection.

Hebrews - The "perfecting" of Christ, rest from dead works, Christ's role as high priest, the futility of Old Testament sacrifices, how the Old Covenant was a mere shadow, the initiation of the New Covenant through the death of Christ, true Sabbath, the finality of Christ's sacrifice, the relation of Christ to Melchizedek.

Ephesians - In the first few chapters you have the issue of election, being dead in sin, being saved by grace through faith.

1 John - Assurance, what a true Christian looks like, the role of abstaining from sin, keeping Christ's commandments, "were they really saved?", antichrist, love for the brothers, the conscience, sin leading to death, fellowship with Christ.

These are things which, if you want to avoid talking about, you simply have to throw out verses of the Bible. They're not things or issues which seem obscurely implied or hidden in the text and may or may not actually be there, but these are all things we look at as being "doctrine," but you can't avoid them without avoiding entire passages.

Be encouraged though; these are things that all make a great difference in the life of the believer. I've found extreme comfort in doctrine and understanding, and have found true application of them to my own life. Most times we look at them as being high ivory tower items that have no bearing in our lives, but trust me, they can make a lot of difference. I had a friend who felt like he had to perform good works to be right before God, but going over the doctrine of the atonement, and the futility of our own works, made a great difference to him.

Trust me, there are a lot of strange teachings out there, some of them simply damaging, others damnable. If you don't have good teachings, you can end up in a dangerous situation spiritually. Trust me, I've wound up in bad situations which were the result of not knowing the Bible that I hope you never go through.

To quote a friend when I told him about some issues I was struggling with, "The problem is that you don't know the Bible."

Bless you bro!
 
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Why do you feel so? I would rather just hear the bible no interpretation. I dont want to hear want man thinks because man is flawed and imperfect I just want to hear what God has to say. I dont like going to churches where their doctrine is constantly preached(even my own denomination).

Why do you think its okay to preach Doctrines?

They say God told Joseph Smith to write them down so we can know them.

Doctrine and Covenants 1
 
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I feel that it is not I think that the word alone should be preached. Doctrines are different interpretations of the bible but when it comes to saving souls I feel as though they dont matter



What are "doctrines?" But "different interpretations of the Bible" as you say. If a fundamentalist says that all are doomed to an eternity of Hell and that the only way of escape is to accept Jesus as Lord and Saviour, is that not a doctrine formed from a particular interpretation of the Bible?

When a Bahai person says that Jesus represents not a particular person that you need to have faith in and follow, but rather an expression of ideas of love, goodness, kindness etc, is that not a doctrine formed from a particular interpretation of the Bible?

One person says that Hell is separation of God and not being in Heaven. Another says that it is a literal physical reality of endless torture in a lake of actual fire. Are they not both doctrines formed from personal interpretations of the Bible?

All doctrines are personal interpretations of the Bible.
 
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There is a factor I think we are overlooking: the responsibility of the average believer in the area if discernment. There are many areas of doctrine that are unavoidable when preaching. For example, Calvinism and Arminianism can be a very divisive doctrine. However, when preaching on how God relates to man, especially in areas of salvation, the message will be colored by whatever perspective he takes. It is then the responsibility of a mature believer to take that sermon and digest it. The Bible refers to mature believers needing 'meat' instead of 'milk'. I believe part of this distinction includes taking a sermon or a book or a podcast etc. and examining it through the lens of scripture.

Also, a mature believer need not completely agree with a sermon to find it beneficial. Hearing perspectives and doctrines that we do not agree with serves to test our own beliefs and help us in the pursuit of a better system of belief. A fresh, opposite perspective may spur us into a renewed passion for study and help us better understand God by forcing us to answer questions we would have never encountered by only hearing like-minded opinions.
 
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The most beautiful walk I have ever had is when I threw down all legalisms from all the different churches, I mean the man made rules, not the God rules - the ones that are so busy telling you what you can't do that they don't take time to tell you what God can do. Just put your hand in the hand of Jesus and let the Holy Spirit guide you and you will walk so close to God that all the man made rules won't make any difference.
 
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absolutely, doctrine expounds on what the word of God means and puts it in clearer categories, I think a preacher needs to preach doctrines when appropriate, doctrines and bible go together, you shouldnt just read the bible to the congregation,
Do you really think doctrine necessarily expound on what the word of God means? There is a lot of doctrine out there that has nothing to do with God or His Word for that matter. Praying to saints to name one example.
Do we need to know what scripture means? Well ofcourse we do, but not led by what a preacher teaches, afterall false teachers run rampant, but we need to led ourselves be led by the Holy Spirit. God didn't give us His spirit just so we can have fuzzy feelings, he gave us the Holy Spirit so it can lead us. Now I don't know about you, but I'd much rather follow Him then some doctrine that makes no sense.
 
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