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cracked open Orthodoxy for the first time and the insights he has are mind blowing.
Yes, that book is mind blowing and mind expanding. My favorite chapter is The Ethics Of Elfland. I recall the joke you made about calling C. S. Lewis St. Clive The Close Enough. I'd like it if we called Chesterton St. Gilbert The Almost There.
 
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I personally found "Orthodoxy" a bit difficult to read, but as someone else used to say, "I am a bear of very little brain".
I'm a huge Chesterton fan, and I find some of his writing difficult. I can't always penetrate to what he's saying. But what I do understand is utterly brilliant. You should keep digging around.
 
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Yes, that book is mind blowing and mind expanding. My favorite chapter is The Ethics Of Elfland. I recall the joke you made about calling C. S. Lewis St. Clive The Close Enough. I'd like it if we called Chesterton St. Gilbert The Almost There.
indeed, the whole work is great.
 
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I'm a huge Chesterton fan, and I find some of his writing difficult. I can't always penetrate to what he's saying. But what I do understand is utterly brilliant. You should keep digging around.
I have his work on St. Thomas Aquinas somewhere....my dad wanted to read it. My whole bedroom looks like a library LOL
 
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indeed, the whole work is great.
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I can entirely guarantee he will never be canonized by the RCC....not that it matters to the faithful of the Orthodox Church

Not to go off topic
 
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I personally found "Orthodoxy" a bit difficult to read, but as someone else used to say, "I am a bear of very little brain".
Here is a bite-sized excerpt you might be able to appreciate:


  • Modesty has moved from the organ of ambition. Modesty has settled upon the organ of conviction; where it was never meant to be. A man was meant to be doubtful about himself, but undoubting about the truth; this has been exactly reversed. Nowadays the part of a man that a man does assert is exactly the part he ought not to assert—himself. The part he doubts is exactly the part he ought not to doubt—the Divine Reason.
 
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I can entirely guarantee he will never be canonized by the RCC....not that it matters to the faithful of the Orthodox Church

Not to go off topic
I understand the movement to canonize him in the RCC and am inclined to think he really IS a saint in the eyes of God, but the Chesterton Society went downhill when it became a Catholic Apostolate. With an official mission of converting people to Catholicism, they successfully turn away people who might be tempted to read him but are turned off by the “You’ll have to become Catholic if you do” approach. So I would prefer that he remain as he is, uncanonized in the RCC.

I am part of an online group with a few of my former adult students in Russia; we collaborated on the translation of “What’s Wrong With the World”, and are currently - once or twice a month on Sundays - collaborating on translating his biography by Maisie Ward. It’s the biography more than his writings that make it clear the ways in which he really was saintly.
 
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I take this stuff called Donormyl. Not every night, but it's really effective, at least in helping me get back to sleep after waking up in the middle of the night. I manage 5 or six hours of sleep with it.
Be careful! That’s a decongestant. Can really constrict blood vessels, mess with blood pressure, cause AFIB; ask me how I know! ‍‍‍
 
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I can entirely guarantee he will never be canonized by the RCC....not that it matters to the faithful of the Orthodox Church

Not to go off topic
it’s all in God’s hands
 
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Be careful! That’s a decongestant. Can really constrict blood vessels, mess with blood pressure, cause AFIB; ask me how I know! ‍‍‍
Has anyone tried melatonin? I take a gummy that has 2mg melatonin (any more than that is too much) chamomile, small amount of ashawaganda, valarian root and lavender, about 30 minutes before bed. I also have a tea with the same ingredients. I take Unisom (Doxylamine succinate) only on great occasion because my body can build a tolerance to it quickly, and has. And as Gurney pointed out it's not good to take a first .generation antihistamines on a daily basis.
So only every few months maybe, I go on and off and
I try to sleep without anything if I can, but otherwise the melatonin supplements help me, and yes no screens for the last 2 hours before bed, I read print material(books,etc) to wind down. Screens emit blue light which is like sunlight and make your body think it's time to get up. ALso the internet seems to stimulate my brain more than TV. TV watching is more passive than scrolling the internet.
But if I can't sleep I'll read a print book, pray and do devotions ( In dim light!!)
 
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Regarding the OP I hate to say it but I think it's somewhat things like X, FB, Instagram, snapchat and the like, becoming prominent.
I love message boards but I'm thinking maybe the upcoming generation behind generation X doesn't yuse them much anymore.
I know my kids don't.
 
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I have his work on St. Thomas Aquinas somewhere....my dad wanted to read it. My whole bedroom looks like a library LOL
I once read somewhere that he wrote that book in just two weeks. If that's true it's amazing.
 
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I once read somewhere that he wrote that book in just two weeks. If that's true it's amazing.
St Justin Popovich rewrote his PhD dissertation from scratch in under a week because his original was lost.
 
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I once read somewhere that he wrote that book in just two weeks. If that's true it's amazing.
i’m not sure about the two weeks part, but it’s probably true. I do know that his secretary reported that he asked her to bring a number of books from the city, he took the top book off the stack, flipped through a few pages, and then proceeded to dictate the entire book from the top of his head.

Then you have to see the reaction of actual scholars of Aquinas to the book.
The twentieth century’s premier scholar of Aquinas, Etienne Gilson, wrote, “Chesterton makes one despair. I have been studying St. Thomas all my life and I could never have written such a book.”

After Chesterton’s death, Gilson said more:

“I consider it as being without possible comparison the best book ever written on St. Thomas. Nothing short of genius can account for such an achievement. Everybody will no doubt admit that it is a ‘clever’ book, but the few readers who have spent twenty or thirty years in studying St. Thomas Aquinas, and who, perhaps, have themselves published two or three volumes on the subject, cannot fail to perceive that the so-called ‘wit’ of Chesterton has put their scholarship to shame. He has guessed all that which they had tried to demonstrate, and he has said all that which they were more or less clumsily attempting to express in academic formulas. Chesterton was one of the deepest thinkers who ever existed; he was deep because he was right; and he could not help being right; but he could not either help being modest and charitable, so he left it to those who could understand him to know that he was right, and deep; to the others, he apologized for being right, and he made up for being deep by being witty. That is all they can see of him.”
 
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