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Is it finally time for the SDA church to abandon its stand on the clean/unclean foo

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Do you think it will ever happen? Or is the law laid down by EGW non-negotiable and written in stone, never to be re-assessed or reconsidered, always to stand until the end of Adventist church existence?

To eat or not to eat. That is the question.

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Interestingly when I wrote my article posted on the discussion forum I checked what EGW had to say about Mark 7:18-19, she said nothing. In fact on clean and unclean meat she said very little, clearly holding to the continuation but not backing up her position nor dealing with any other possibilities as offered by Christians for centuries.
 
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And let's not forget the infamous OYSTER fiasco :D :


[SIZE=+1]1882 - Oysters and Herrings?[/SIZE]

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Mrs. White was still privately eating unclean meat a full 13 years after her public commitment! In this 1882 excerpt from a letter to her daughter-in-law, Mary Kelsey White, she expresses her fondness for herring and oysters:
Mary, if you can get me a good box of herrings - fresh ones - please do so. These last ones that Willie got are bitter and old. If you can buy cans, say (a) half dozen cans of good tomatoes, please do so. We shall need them. If you can get a few cans of good oysters, get them.13​
This letter gives credence to Fannie Bolton's claim that Ellen White was discovered in a restaurant "very gratified in eating big white raw oysters with vinegar, pepper and salt".14


Some find it difficult to believe that Sister White actually ate oysters because her testimonies tell Adventists they should refuse to eat them:
His stronghold seems to be giving way; his hitherto brave heart is growing weak. He is invited to accompany them for a walk, and they lead him to a saloon. Oysters or other refreshments are called for, and he is ashamed to draw away and refuse the treat.15​



[SIZE=+1]1890 - More Oysters![/SIZE]

Oysters as an Aphrodisiac"Already during the time of the Roman Empire oysters enjoyed a randy reputation, which only increased over the ages. During the "Golden Century" in the Netherlands (the 17th century) oysters were the symbol, the very incarnation of an aphrodisiac. Aphrodite, the Greek goddess of love, sprang forth from the sea on an oyster shell and promptly gave birth to Eros, hence the origin of the word, "aphrodisiac". The great Casanova also used to start his meals with 12 dozen oysters."19 According to Leviticus 11:10 anything from the waters without fins or scales is "unclean." In addition, oysters have long been considered an aphrodisiac. Surely James White must have recognized this because in 1870 he lambasted those who ate oysters:
"What kinds of edibles command the highest price in the market? Those that stimulate this passion, and because they create impure desires. What mean those oyster stews, and crab parties, and terrapin soups, and squab suppers, wild fowls, cloves, and a host of other like things? Eaten, in many instances in high (?low) life, expressly to beget unhallowed desires! Oh! shame, where is thy blush! Do you want more proof? Behold the fertile South. But particulars are too revolting, both as regards the beastly indulgence of whites with blacks, and the number of rakes [immoral men] and harlots among the latter! Our world is literally FULL of sensuality!"20​
James blasted those who ate oysters because of their supposed power to stimulate "sensual desires." Yet surprisingly, his own wife fostered a love for these forbidden, unclean creatures. In 1907, Adventist physician Dr. Charles Stewart wrote a letter to Mrs. White questioning why she ate oysters:
"Three parties, all Seventh-day Adventists, two of them officially connected with the denomination, state for a number of years after you received the light on health reform, that you ate meat and oysters. Two of these persons within the past ninety days told me personally that you ate oysters in their own home, on one occasion as late as 1890. Another stated that he saw you eating oysters in a restaurant. "If you deny that you ate oysters and state that the statements of these two men are false, I will make an affidavit to this statement and give you the names of the two persons referred to so that they can be asked for an explanation."21​
Mrs. White never responded to Dr. Stewart's letter, nor did she deny the statements of the two men who saw her eating oysters.

http://www.ellenwhiteexposed.com/contra6.htm

 
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I see James White was the perfect example of Adventist race relations..... being with a black person is not beastly what an insult (unless he was talking about the white slave masters sexually abusing their black slaves).
We know in the Victorian age Christiandom continued to have hangups about sex, 19th century Adventism was no exception.
 
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I'm not bothered by what EGW did or did not do, she could have been a nudist for all I care, does not mean I have to show my wobbly bits in public - lol

And here we thought this was a photo of you Moicherie! :D

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"very gratified in eating big white raw oysters with vinegar, pepper and salt".

Is anyone else getting this ugly nearly unreadable font from NE's posts?

That is weird when I copied it and pasted it the font looks fine but when I look back at his posts it is still there what is going on?
 
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Do you think it will ever happen? Or is the law laid down by EGW non-negotiable and written in stone, never to be re-assessed or reconsidered, always to stand until the end of Adventist church existence?

To eat or not to eat. That is the question.

I think the Adventist Church should reexamine a lot of things, but I don't think it's likely anytime soon (at least not in an official, church-wide capacity). If anything, the church in general seems to be intensifying efforts lately to promote traditional teachings, especially on EGW and the IJ. The White Estate even has an online EGW magazine for kids, and the Connecting with Jesus campaign's purpose is to connect Adventist members around the world with Ellen White. Rather than indoctrinating its members, the church should be focusing more of its efforts on actually reaching non-Christians with the gospel. And all of the Adventist rules about eating and drinking and other things tend to obscure the gospel and take the joy out of the Christian experience.
Romans 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, 18 because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and approved by men.
 
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