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Is it Ethical to be fired for stating Christian beliefs
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<blockquote data-quote="Zoii" data-source="post: 74129576" data-attributes="member: 391745"><p>And this is what courts will need to decide. Where religious action is counter to employment requirements.</p><p></p><p>I can see you are adamant Folau and other christians should be free to criticise his supporters providing he is using a verse of the bible. Those of us not christian think that such an attitude isn't consistent with OUR values.</p><p></p><p>Other employees are troubled. Hospitals, for example, are troubled that Christians will demand the Sabbath off duty, OR islamic doctors will leave the emergency department floor because they need to pray, OR christian nurses will tell a pregnant teen the bible says she should be punished. I mean heck - they are just staying true to their religion - thats what this is all about. Religious people imposing on the rest of us.</p><p></p><p></p><p>So tell me - is the nurse within her rights to slag off the pregnant teen by quoting the bible about stoning such women?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I can't say whether you are correct or not - but Id say your view here is common to all employers INCLUDING religious institutions. The church may now come under scrutiny for its approach to a maths teacher who loses their faith and decides they are agnostic. Right now churches argue they can do what they want in that regard</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Im not sure how you can argue it was not what he intended since he has since reiterated his position clearly just to ensure we understand we are so evil we should all burn.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well he keeps saying it - so yeah after repeating himself and then going on to talk about it on host shows and in his church - yeah I think we have it clear.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And that's what rankles - We religious institutional employers and should be allowed to do what no other employer does [then list reasons that the rest of the community appalled by]</p><p>Do you think it fair a pregnant nun raped by a priest should be evicted from her order?</p><p></p><p>Do you think it fair that nurses should be interviewed regarding their faith when employed at a hospital?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And that's all total rubbish.</p><p>Churches DO NOT write in either their advertisement or job description, you will be fired if you decide you are gay, or fall pregnant, or lose your faith.</p><p></p><p>A religious institution can put in the job description requirements for the job. If they need to teach religion then so be it.</p><p></p><p>How many times do religions impose sexuality requirements on employees and do not pretend that its written in their job description and advertised - it is not. The fact that churches can impose discrimination when it has zero to do with their job is totally repugnant when the rest of Australia has a completely different standard.</p><p></p><p>We have seen this insistence from the church to separate themselves from law time and time again - it blew up in their face with child sexual abuse, but they still insist they would not report child sexual abuse if they found about it all in the confessional. Now while that issue is off-topic, it demonstrates this ongoing issue the community has with the churches that insist they should be allowed to have a separate set of behaviours that is completely out of step to law and ethics imposed on the community.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Zoii, post: 74129576, member: 391745"] And this is what courts will need to decide. Where religious action is counter to employment requirements. I can see you are adamant Folau and other christians should be free to criticise his supporters providing he is using a verse of the bible. Those of us not christian think that such an attitude isn't consistent with OUR values. Other employees are troubled. Hospitals, for example, are troubled that Christians will demand the Sabbath off duty, OR islamic doctors will leave the emergency department floor because they need to pray, OR christian nurses will tell a pregnant teen the bible says she should be punished. I mean heck - they are just staying true to their religion - thats what this is all about. Religious people imposing on the rest of us. So tell me - is the nurse within her rights to slag off the pregnant teen by quoting the bible about stoning such women? I can't say whether you are correct or not - but Id say your view here is common to all employers INCLUDING religious institutions. The church may now come under scrutiny for its approach to a maths teacher who loses their faith and decides they are agnostic. Right now churches argue they can do what they want in that regard Im not sure how you can argue it was not what he intended since he has since reiterated his position clearly just to ensure we understand we are so evil we should all burn. Well he keeps saying it - so yeah after repeating himself and then going on to talk about it on host shows and in his church - yeah I think we have it clear. And that's what rankles - We religious institutional employers and should be allowed to do what no other employer does [then list reasons that the rest of the community appalled by] Do you think it fair a pregnant nun raped by a priest should be evicted from her order? Do you think it fair that nurses should be interviewed regarding their faith when employed at a hospital? And that's all total rubbish. Churches DO NOT write in either their advertisement or job description, you will be fired if you decide you are gay, or fall pregnant, or lose your faith. A religious institution can put in the job description requirements for the job. If they need to teach religion then so be it. How many times do religions impose sexuality requirements on employees and do not pretend that its written in their job description and advertised - it is not. The fact that churches can impose discrimination when it has zero to do with their job is totally repugnant when the rest of Australia has a completely different standard. We have seen this insistence from the church to separate themselves from law time and time again - it blew up in their face with child sexual abuse, but they still insist they would not report child sexual abuse if they found about it all in the confessional. Now while that issue is off-topic, it demonstrates this ongoing issue the community has with the churches that insist they should be allowed to have a separate set of behaviours that is completely out of step to law and ethics imposed on the community. [/QUOTE]
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